Name light heavy champs that could have beat McCallum more convincingly than RJ did in `97

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  1. Loudon

    Loudon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You do make me laugh Mark.

    Canelo and GG get hit flush.

    It's one of GG's biggest weaknesses.

    Come back to me when they've fought a big southpaw, weighing 180 plus pounds.

    You've absolutely no idea how either one of them would do against a big LHW.

    GG has never even fought a SMW, and Canelo has only fought one, a guy who's basically European level.

    Del Valle caught Roy with a great punch. It's boxing. It happens. But in my honest opinion, he'd never have gone down, had his back foot not slipped hard and fast on the wet canvas.

    Despite Roy not putting on an amazing eye catching performance, he was in complete control of the fight, where he landed some great right hands to the body.
     
  2. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Roy missed all over the place for the first half of that fight and he was hurt by that shot, I wasn`t saying GG could beat light heavies I was saying he would have dealt with a fighter on that level in his respective weight class much easier, he would have opened him up wity the jab, Roy waited for counters too much and looked out of ideeas even turning southpaw at times.
     
  3. Loudon

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    That was Roy's 3rd weight class.

    Del Valle wasn't special, but he was a tough southpaw.

    GG has been caught flush by lesser guys.

    Roy won the fight easily.

    He won almost every round.
     
  4. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Brook and Jacobs were better than Dell Valle P4P.
     
  5. Loudon

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    They might be, but Del Valle was a big, strong LHW who was also a southpaw.

    It's how they match up stylistically.
     
  6. Seamus

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    Maske would have dazzled McCallum. Dazzled. Mike would have quit in Round 11 and hugged him, acquiescing to the greatness that was Herr Henry.
     
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  7. roughdiamond

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    Fundamentals or not, if what a boxer is doing works, then it works. RJJ proved this against high-level opponents at various weights.

    Also, Toney was P4P 1 at the time. How much better can you get?

    And I don't even like Jones much.
     
  8. Cobra33

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    Del Valle was a damn good fighter .almost beat Hill.
     
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  9. Wass1985

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    You feel he had the tools to be an ATG? I think you're being a tad bit harsh on Jones here.
     
  10. Wass1985

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    It could also be argued Jones hit harder than McCallum in absolute terms as well.
     
  11. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Autism? No.

    Alvarez or GGG both beating RJJ at 160? Yes.

    Your disrespect and downplaying of RJJ abilities and accomplishments? It's so blatant and one-eyed it's hilarious.
     
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  12. JohnThomas1

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    Jones hit a helluva lot harder than McCallum. Maybe you meant Jackson.
     
  13. Wass1985

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    Yep sorry meant Jackson.
     
  14. JohnThomas1

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    It's a hard one. I think Jones is a huuuuuge puncher but Jackson could well be top 5 p4p or even better. Jones was the naturally bigger man by a bit but Jackson carried incredible power up to middleweight too. Jackson easily beat Thomas Tate but didn't knock him out where as Jones sparked him quick not that much later. Jackson actually named Tate as having the best chin he ever encountered.

    It's an interesting question.
     
  15. Wass1985

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    Yep that's what I'm getting at, Jackson may have hit harder P4P but Jones was the bigger man and arguably hit harder in absolute terms.
     

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