Name light heavy champs that could have beat McCallum more convincingly than RJ did in `97

Look Roy wasnt my favorite boxer by any means .
But he was the BEST when he was in his prime.
First he only beat Hopkins because Hopkins was "still green" .
Then when he beat the hell out of Toney it was because Toney "gained too much weight"

How about Thulane Maligna? You know the boxer who lost a razor thin decison to both Eubanks and Benn? Roy dazzled him and stopped him in SIX one sided rounds.
How about Virgil Hill? Never had been stopped until Jones took him out with a single bodyshot .
Thomas Tate gave Ottke hell twice. Tate couldnt make it out of ROUND TWO vs Jones.
Sosa. If nothing else he was suppose to be very durable .Lost a decision to Toney .Didnt see round THREE against Jones.
Reggie Johnson was a two time world champion .
I thought he would give Jones a fight .I thought wrong- Jones beat the hell out of him.
And GGG and Canelo would never be able to beat Johnson that easily.
Jones was a once in a lifetime boxer. There will never be another boxer like Jones.
Its time to stop discrediting everything he did and just realize how lucky we were to see him in his prime .
And for the record Jones could hit when he wanted to- I saw him spar once and he was throwing 4/5 hooks to the BODY and HURTING people .He was a beast.

 

That is crap.

Nobody destroyed Johnson at any weight in his entire career. In fact practically all his losses were debatable aside from the RJJ whipping but there's no shame in that either. Johnson would be the best fighter GGG has faced at 160 with the possible exception of Alvarez. And Brook was a blown up welter, in fact not even the best welterweight in his division, who took a cash grab against Golovkin. Brook might be better at landing shots but they have nothing on them at 160 whereas Johnson floored and legitimately hurt the iron chinned Toney at that weight. GGG ain't walking through that.

 

Oh I agree in that particular bout. Shame they didn't rematch at a higher weight.

 

Hopkins was green for sure. Whether he ever would have beat Jones is up for debate. Toney was P4P top 2 and has no excuses.

 

Maybe but a long way from impossible. Jones sat him on his backside right on the bell ending round 10. Jones just cruised the round after he dropped him. He was cruising pretty much all fight, touching gloves before rounds and the like.

 

Define average for me?

Toney KO'd an undefeated p4p elite in Michael Nunn. Yeah he struggled but that was because Nunn was that good, and the fact Toney persevered for the win is a massive accomplishment for James. Golovkin sure as hell doesn't have a single win on his resume that even compares to this and I give GGG precisely zero chance against Michael Nunn.

Reggie Johnson troubled Toney because he was a top notch technician and a southpaw, which is largely why he troubled everyone he fought excepting the freak talent RJJ. Toney squeaking by him at a weight he was already having trouble making is a damn good accomplishment.

I don't want to get snippy with you because you seem a polite enough guy who doesn't get personal too often but I wonder what actually impresses you in a fighter? I saw a thread of where people were asked for examples of the best short fights they had seen recently only for you to continually contribute observations such as "that fighter looked like garbage in that fight" or "so and so was ridiculously easy to hit here". You basically missed the point of the entire thread.

 

No-one's talking a prime McCallum remember. You yourself stipulated this.

 

Toney was the best or second best P4P when he met Jones for heavens sakes Mark. Toney was a fledgling when he beat Nunn, a virtual unknown comparatively. He had near 20 fights post Nunn before he met Jones. This is getting sillier.

 

Amazing power does not equal amazing application of power.

Popular example: Shavers and Foreman.
Who hit harder?
Yet who was more likely to KO a champion?

Think about this and you'll understand (hopefully).