Name lineal title opponents in ANY weight division worse than Alex Leapai

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by McGrain, Apr 26, 2014.


  1. Bert Cooper

    Bert Cooper Guest

    He wants all 4 belts which means he has to fight their mandatories. How many other champs have 3 major belts?

    You implied it, but whatever. Let me know which ones you think were worse.

    I don't like clinching either, but how the opponent fights determines how much clinching there is going to be. There wasn't much clinching in this fight because Leapai didn't fight like Povetkin or Mormeck.
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yeah yeah that's fine, but what you're doing is pretending that it's acceptable for people to blame them, that he somehow doesn't have to take responsibility for those fights. He does. If he wants the belts, he has to accept that the fighters and managers that pay the most and are the best connected will control his opponents, NOT the best fighters. And that hurts his legacy.

    If he fights say, Fury or Pulev next, that takes the pressure off, but this was a joke defence, and there's no point in acting like it's anything else.

    Joe Louis DID make one or two defences which are as bad - Tony Musto in 1941 for example. But Louis fought seven times in '41, taking on his #1 contender twice. SO it's a bit different.
     
  3. Mr. Iron Chin

    Mr. Iron Chin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not lineal but Bellew vs Cleverly was the worst World title fight of all time. Both were just about domestic level. A shocking fight.
     
  4. Mr "T"

    Mr "T" Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Got to get off topic a little here but
    Hey, Wlad didn't crawl around the ground Brewster II
    That was a shutout and Brew quit on his stool, otherwise he would have had major damage-good for him.
    Wlad has come back like the champ he is
    You haters have too see he is the epitome of a great fighter: big, strong, great reach and one punch power and so disciplined that bows to no one.
    I have to call like it is. Laepai was better than Galento and a great heavyweight got knocked down by a journeyman.
    Wlad didn't get knocked down by journeyman Leapai
    So it looks like I just named Tony Galento worse than Leapai, right?
     
  5. Bert Cooper

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    It does hurt his legacy but he wants all 4 belts. It Wlad dropped a belt every time he was faced with a sh!tty mandatory, he wouldn't have any of them.

    It was a joke defense. Who's saying that Leapai was a good opponent?

    How many champs fight seven times a year? Things were WAY different back then and in any case, Leapai would probably beat 90% of those guys.
     
  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    He would be linear and he would be fighting bad opponents far less regularly. Plus, he's so dominant that it is extremely difficult for these shitty organisations to strip him without looking ludicrous. Plus, he can re-hoover belts any time they end up with a top ten contender. Plus, nobody these days gives a f*ck about someone holidng all four belts.


    Well my thread illuminating it as such provoked you into calling me a f*cking ******* and *****. So I thought, yeah, that guy doesn't agree, but possibly you just have Tourettes.



    That's exactly the point. If he remains active and champ for another decade, it doesn't matter as much. But what if he tears a ligament and retires in three fights time? What if Fury lands some bizarre lucky punch? What if Pulev has the same kind of issues Chagaev did and that fight doesn't get made?

    Fighting a guy four, five classes removed from his is almost inexcusable at this point in Wladimir's career.
     
  7. Bert Cooper

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    He wants all 4 belts so everyone knows he's the champ and not someone else. These belts do matter a certain level because boxers make more money with them than without.

    Everyone knows this fight was crap. We've already had a hundred threads on this subject.

    If Wlad only had the lineal title and other boxer(s) had the other 4, we'd have people here claiming Wlad isn't the champ. Some people didn't consider Wlad lineal until he beat Povetkin and I wouldn't be surprised if some still don't consider him lineal.

    Well Leapai wasn't a great opponent. That's for sure. This win doesn't do much for Wlad's resume.
     
  8. VBOX

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    This wasn't a huge legacy building win, yeah so what? Who do people want Wlad to fight? I'm sure he'll get around to crushing them soon enough so stay tuned.
     
  9. McGrain

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    Wlad wouldn't make less money with less belts, absolutely not.

    And if he wants everybody to know he's the champ, he needs to make his style more appealing, not harbour crap belts via **** fights.
     
  10. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Evangelista performed better in his title challenges than Leapai did in his. Dunn did as well. Ditto Rodriguez. At least they seemed to have an idea of when and how to throw punches that had some hope of connecting in their respective fights.

    In terms of the lowest caliber opponent fighting to the lowest possible level, this was just about as bad as its been for a lineal challenge since Coopman fought Ali. And, at least Coopman had the excuse of drinking champagne before the fight.
     
  11. Slick n Jewish

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    Gabriel Mira
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  12. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Jose Caba managed to take rounds off both Lopez and Pedroza during his title challenges. He doesn't even come close to being the worst challenger.
     
  13. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Sometimes, champs carry an overmatched guy for a few rounds. By measuring how Leapai did in the actual fight, in essence, you're punishing Wlad for not losing a minute of it. Not quite fair.

    That's why the metric I'm using is what the fighter had done going in to the title fight. And by that measure, all those guys were less deserving than Leapai (who still wasn't a very good defense, don't get me wrong).

    The point is, every single long reigning heavyweight champion has lineal defenses like Leapai (or worse). It's not a coincidence that the easiest cases to find come from the longest reigning champs.
     
  14. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Conn would have made Leapai look foolish and would have cruised to an easy decision....all 169lbs of him. :yep
     
  15. JAB5239

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    Actually he's easily one of the most knowledgeable posters on this site. You may not like what he's saying because its the truth, but what he knows tops 99% of other posters on this site.