Name me a deeper division...

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  1. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    That was an incredibly deep middleweight division. Especially in hindsight given all that some of those men had yet to do.

    The heavyweight class of 1991 was rather impressive too

    Evander Holyfield
    Mike Tyson
    Rid**** Bowe
    Razor Ruddock
    Ray Mercer
    George Foreman
    Tim Witherspoon
    Tony Tucker
    Lennox Lewis
    Michael Moorer

    EDIT: oops Azzar already beat me too it. But still worth mentioning.
     
  2. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I remember Parks was as highly touted as Hopkins before he lost to Johnson.

    Neither had fought top much top competition before getting their respective title shots.

    Kalambay was past his best but still tough.

    Tate had given Jackson a very tough fight

    Roy had beaten Percy Harris easily.

    yes, it was pretty deep. even the lower part of the top 10 was solid.

    I think it looks even better in retrospect because some of these guys like Jones and Hopkins, and McCllellan went on to be top guys. They hadn't really done too much at the time these ratings came out.
     
  3. Brixton Bomber

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    Bowe vs Ruddock would have been brutal.

    As would have Ruddock/Mercer.
     
  4. Saad54

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    1980-87 was such an exciting era for the Lightweight Division. Then, Pernell started dominating. He was too good but would have had a tougher time if he peaked in the mid 80.s.
     
  5. mr. magoo

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    Probably mine too.. And the thing about that group is that they were already pretty much established and not question marks for the future. Some of them were old like Foreman, Tucker and WItherspoon but all were still producing nice results and could still fight. when you count it up there are probably about five hall of fame men and maybe two adiditonal guys who are knocking on the door. Just ouside that top 10 you had some tough fringe contenders and gatekeepers too... Just a magnificent era and one that sadly I took for granted when I was growing up at that time.
     
  6. Seamus

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    Tuff. Real Tuff.
     
  7. 2piece

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    The 50's middleweight division

    Ray Robinson
    Jake Lamotta
    Rocky Graziano
    Carmen Basilio
    Randolph Turpin
    Gene Fullmer
    Bobo Olson
    Rocky Castellani
     
  8. scartissue

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    Joe Brown, Champion
    1. Carlos Ortiz
    2. Dave Charnley
    3. Flash Elorde
    4. Eddie Perkins
    5. Douglas Vaillant
    6. Kenny Lane
    7. Carlos Hernandez
    8. Paolo Rosi
    9. Nursery Kid
    10. Len Matthews

    These are the year end '61 ring ratings of the lightweights. I have always been intrigued with the depth of the '58-'62 era of lightweights. Others that criss-crossed the ratings in this era but not listed here are Duilio Loi, Nicolino Loche, Paul Armstead, Alfredo Urbina, Bunny Grant, Willie Toweel and a number more I'm sure I'll think of later. This was a truly deep era.
     
  9. Unforgiven

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    RING magazine has this for welterweight, end of 1941 :




    Freddie (Red) Cochrane, Champion
    1. Sugar Ray Robinson
    2. California Jackie Wilson
    3. Fritzie Zivic
    4. Young Kid McCoy
    5. Charley Burley
    6. Holman Williams
    7. Cocoa Kid
    8. Izzy Jannazzo
    9. Ron Richards**
    10. Norman Rubio
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    It is worth noting that Henry Armstrong fought Zivic for the championship in 1941, his only fight that year, losing in 12th round stoppage. Not sure if he had announced his retirement of 0-1 just didn't get him rated, but he was champ in 1940 and bounced back to the #2 spot in the ratings in 1942, so it's fair to say he was part of the division for 1941.


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    #9 Ron Richards was a middleweight his whole career, so not sure why he's listed in the ratings.
    He's also listed #9 at middleweight the same month, so I suspect a typo somewhere (perhaps Boxrec, rather than the RING original?)
     
  10. Unforgiven

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    The Junior Middleweights in 1980s were some bad men too.


    1983 :

    Thomas Hearns, Champion
    1. Wilfred Benitez
    2. Roberto Duran
    3. Mike McCallum
    4. John Mugabi
    5. Fred Hutchings
    6. Davey Moore
    7. David Braxton
    8. James Green
    9. Earl Hargrove
    10. Herol Graham
    1985 :

    Thomas Hearns, Champion
    1. John Mugabi
    2. Mike McCallum
    3. Carlos Santos
    4. Davey Moore
    5. Mark Medal
    6. Buster Drayton
    7. Julian Jackson
    8. Donald Curry
    9. David Braxton
    10. Matthew Hilton

    Imagine throwing Floyd Mayweather Jr. in that division.
     
  11. scartissue

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    Here's another set of lightweight ratings just amazing in its depth. From the end of '72.

    Roberto Duran, Champion
    1. Esteban De Jesus
    2. Rodolfo Gonzalez
    3. Ken Buchanan
    4. Chango Carmona
    5. Ray Lampkin
    6. Antonio Puddu
    7. Pedro Carrasco
    8. Jimmy Heair
    9. Ruben Navarro
    10. Mando Ramos