Name me ONE definite at-or-near prime future Hall of Famer that Mayweather beat

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  1. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Gatti doesn't count.


    Of the ATG's:
    Pacquiao = Semi-shot and injured
    Mosley = Semi-shot
    De La Hoya = very past prime
    Marquez = Heavily outweighed on weigh in, pantomime fight, fat and slow and didn't put on weight properly


    Are these guys at-or-near-prime, definite future Hall of Famers?
    Castillo = Borderline, therefore doesn't count as a 'definite' future HOF
    Cotto = Past prime, Not HOF worthy
    Hatton = Not HOF worthy, lost to Collazo
    Gatti = HOF for other reasons, doesn't count.
    Genaro = Past prime, definitely not HOF worthy
    Corrales = definitely not HOF worthy

    Shot doesn't mean a great fighter is now 'taxi driver level'.

    See it as a compliment because I believe Floyd is an ATG therefore I hold him to high standards.

    SRL, Leonard, Duran, Whitaker, Chavez, Pacquiao, Napoles, Griffith, LMR, Robinson, Gavilan, Benitez, Marquez, Williams, Mosley, De La hoya etc. etc. all had at-or-near prime HOF victories.

    Mayweather obviously doesn't dare to be great the same way a De La Hoya or a Pacquiao would, otherwise he would have sacrificed his own prime weight to take on top names in other weight classes even if he was in poorer condition for it. But Mayweather doesn't have to do that. Just something to throw out there, though.

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  2. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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    Castillo. Definite HOF in my eyes. Tied the series 1-1 in most eyes
     
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  3. acie2g

    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think a great argument can be made that Castillo,Hatton,Corrales,Cotto are all prime HOFers.

    Castillo is considered the best LW of an Era has wins over every top LW you can name from the mid/late 90's - early/mid 00's including in some opinions a win over Mayweather himself.
    Hatton is the best JWW in recent times former Undisputed JWW Champ and WBA WW Champ unbeaten at the height of his career.
    Corrales was a one of the best SFW/LWs of this generation multi time Champion only lost to the best.
    Cotto while towards the later end of his prime is undoubtedly a HOFer and an ATG PR fighter, went on to win the Lineal MW Title and proved his worth by fighting competitively with Canelo years later.

    Also on a lower extent G.Hernandez while not prime was the best SFW of the 90's next to only Mayweather and was unbeaten for a decade as Champiom at 130.
     
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  4. bdd123

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    I think Mayweather gets knocked alot because he makes it look easy. Everytime he goes into a fight that they say is a real test. Corales for example. They thought that would be a real test at the time. He handles them easy. Then they say oh he's a bum. Canelo. Same deal. Personal dislike obscures alot of people's views on his career. He will be a hall of famer. His name will be and is compared to the greats. No matter what going 49 and 0 takes something special. I'm not a huge fan but I see a great fighter who deserves his due. . He's not tbe. But he's the best of his era. And pac never would have touched him at anytime in his career.
     
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  5. Body_Snatcher

    Body_Snatcher Killa Sin Full Member

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    Hatton, Castillo and Corrales are HOF shoes ins. Like it or not, they are. Corrales might get in for other reasons, but Castillo and Hatton are definitely HOF.
     
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  6. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :good Good post but it could be said that 147 wasn't Hatton's prime weight.
     
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    Body_Snatcher Killa Sin Full Member

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  8. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Disassociate yourself of those who believe he's going to be HOF. He certainly isn't a DEFINITE lock for HOF.

    No one believes Cotto is going to be HOF unless for popularity reasons or if they have no knowledge of boxing HISTORY, and if they have an agenda to nut hug Mayweather.

    Hatton isn't a HOF'er either, if he gets it it will only be for popularity reasons, certainly not by the way of ability. Beating Tszyu doesn't make one a HOF'er.
     
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  9. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Genero's accomplishments at 130 are quite similar to Brian Mitchell, who resides in the HOF. Plus the win over a faded but still dangerous Nelson was ace.
     
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  10. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hatton's case is about as strong as McGuigan's. Plenty of boxers get into the HOF that don't necessarily deserve induction.
     
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  11. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Yes, that is a shame and that's how we view it. Notice that I said 'definite' at or near prime future HOF.

    This implies ability too.
     
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  12. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Genaro is not a definite lock for HOF.
    Genaro didn't even look as sharp in that fight, and he was also not a stylistic threat.
     
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  13. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Yes, Castillo is borderline but not a lock. You couldn't bet your life and all future earnings on Castillo definitely making the HOF.

    Hatton doesn't get HOF for just simply beating a past prime Tszyu. His other wins weren't very good and he in the opinion of many lost to Collazo. I like Hatton but I gotta be true.


    ATG PR fighter lol and Andre Berto is an ATG Haitan fighter.
    Cotto has no great wins. 2007 Mosley was past prime. Mosley a few years earlier was having these razor close wars with ATG De La Hoya, by 2007 he declined to the level of having razor close war with Cotto.

    Corrales is not getting HOF. Be honest with yourself.
     
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  14. ashishwarrior

    ashishwarrior I'm vital ! Full Member

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    By your own thought process you just tore your hero's CV apart lofl

    Looks like khan ain't ever making it nor his opponents lol

    Stopped off a jab by a b- fighter loool
     
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  15. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Wake me up when Mayweather comes out of retirement to fight a stylistic threat and faster fighter in Khan.

    Mayweather feasting on semi-shot guys these days - Pacquiao and Berto.

    440K buys, Mayweather is no longer 'Money' Mayweather.
     
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