Name one elite fighter who has moved up more weight and won a title then RJJ

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  1. Sage

    Sage Active Member Full Member

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    Roy: Started 154, won the WBA heavyweight title at 200 pounds


    Career weight moved up to win title: 46 pounds




    The other other person is James toney, who due to testing positive to nandrolone, technically did not win the title (though must still be respected for his prowess despite eating himself out of divisions :D )


    Why am I bringing this up?


    Because there is a BS misconception in some quarters that somehow roy lacked balls. :roll: :roll:


    In short, if you can, name one other elite fighter of the modern era who moved up as much weight and won a title



    There is a reason people why it took 100 years for a fighter to move from middleweight



    Because it takes on hell of a fighter to be able to pull it off





    Sage
     
  2. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    I won't count the NBA title (at least not nowadays), so Duran's highest title was 160 lbs, 42 lbs. above his weight of his pro debut.
     
  3. maximumsg

    maximumsg Active Member Full Member

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    Beating the weakest hevyweight champion ever does not equal balls. He handpicked ruiz just like he did most of his other fights to avoid a challenge. Hell he picked Glen johnson who had 9 losses after he lost to tarver.
     
  4. Spitbucket

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    Thanks from saving me from having to respond:good
     
  5. sthomas

    sthomas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Go with % above starting weight.
     
  6. thesandman

    thesandman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And if you do the whole weighlifting thing and calculate as a percentage of bodyweight, that pisses all over Roy Jones.

    And Duran fought some ****ing murderous punches, much naturally bigger than himself.

    Would have been like RJJ fighting Lennox and Wlad..... like he, oh, that's right, it was Ruiz.....

    Don't get me wrong. Great effort by Roy to win a heavy title, and to move from such a low weight to that level. But let's be honest about who he beat at heavy.
     
  7. Sage

    Sage Active Member Full Member

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    Really? Let me give you an example:



    Lets say Marco antonio barrera or eric morales moved up 46 pounds from super bantamweight. This would put them in the super middleweight division. Then, they handpicked the worst title holder, or in this case, lets say they beat, Carl Froche

    They would be rated by some as the best fighters to have ever lived!




    Other examples:

    De La Hoya moving up from 130 pounds to beat Adrian diaconu
    Floyd mayweather doing the same from 130 pounds
    Imagine ricardo lopez moving up from flyweight and fighting and beating Felix sturm at middleweight (160)


    Sounds ridiculous right?




    And yet, Roy moves up that much, fights the worst title holder and then has no balls?




    Big double standard IMO





    Sage
     
  8. Scorpion

    Scorpion Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You do realize the more heavier the fighters are the less the weight difference is significant.
     
  9. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ruiz's resume is better than Vitaly Klitschko, Ruslan Chageav and Sam Peter. He was boring, yes, but very effective.

    Remember Byrd, Ruiz and Lewis were title holders. Had he gone after Byrd people would say that he went after the smallest title holder. I don't why he had to go after Lewis for people to respect him. I think that he deserves some sort of respect for doing what he did. Give credit where credit is due. What Jones did was tremendous.
     
  10. Spitbucket

    Spitbucket Guest

    Since you seem to know so much about RJJr, can you please enlighten me on the origin of the "Reluctant Jones" moniker:rasta
     
  11. AussieMauler

    AussieMauler Relative Unknown Full Member

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    I have said this before. Dont use the total weight increase as a guide.

    Fighters from higher classes can be less effected by weight differential thats true....BUT

    154lbs + 46lbs (nearly a third of his initial fight weight 29.8%) = freak

    The same difference would be 135lb fighter fighting at 175.3lbs =

    MAYWEATHER VS CALZAGHE is next in line:hi: :hi: :hi: :hi:
     
  12. thesandman

    thesandman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    RJJ, really as a fully grown man was a true light heavyweight. In fact, some of his fans are saying he struggles to make that weight.

    The jump Duran made to win a middleweight title is no less significant IMO, in fact, moreso, because he had more than one fight at that weight.
     
  13. thesandman

    thesandman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hearns went from 147 to 175 winning legit belts the whole way - only 28 pounds I know.

    However, won the dodgy NABF and WBU (hold the laughter), at 190. So that's 43 pounds.

    And I have zero doubt if the cruiser division had been worth a damn back in the late 80's early 90's he could have won that too. (Altho I'm aware could have's don't count.!!!!)
     
  14. Sage

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    Your correct sandman but there is one difference in respect to your examples



    Hearns and Duran get the respect for doing so


    Roy seemingly does not




    Sage
     
  15. thesandman

    thesandman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He gets respect from me for doing it.

    I do believe he took the path of least resistance quite a lot, but still recognise what he did as being excellent.

    I would like to have seen him have more than one fight at heavy though, but fair play he did win the WBA belt as a heavy.