Name some Heavyweight fights NOT involving the Klitschko brothers

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At the end of the day i don't see nothing wrong with the size of Klitschko's, it's up to the contenders to come up with a strategy to beat them other than coming in overweight.

 

Something to consider, if for whatever reason there is somehow more money in this new restricted HW division...what's to stop Wlad and Vitali from weight draining and rehydrating like the near 200 lbers that make 175 these dats.

 

Ibeabuchi vs Tua

 

To create a superheavy division would be a temporary thing, cuase once the Bros. retire, it'll then be full of those like Tye Fields and Julius Long.

Just because they are the first in history to possess sized AND skill, you can't push them out of the division. They are within the division's weight requirements, so let them fight.

THere have been alot of great big heavies over the years, and just cause these two guys are something strange, in that they have size AND power AND skill, you can't deny them the right to capitolize on their rareness.

They are so dominant, not merely cause they are so big, which is what the thread starter seems to say. They dominant cause they are big AND focused and very dedicated to getting their skilll level to match their size............

So their dominance is partly due to genetics, but mostly, due to talent, determination and self discipline. Give credit where its due.

As for other fights, I'd love to see:

Haye Adamek

Dimitrenko Helenius, although Robert would probably take him out pretty easily.

Also, Tua Peter Arreola.....in any combination.

 

Wlad is that weight when he isn't training. :good

This thread is a joke, basically Wlad and Vitali are making everyone look bad so lets figure out a way to get them out of the picture without giving them credit. Wah wahwah

 

The Klitschko Brothers are not the ones preventing these match ups from happening, politics are.

The concept of contenders being protected and pushed into cash out title fights is hardly new. Its just more common now, far too common, but this isn't the K-Brother's fault or an argument for a Super HW division.

Last time I checked, the guys that upset Wlad were hardly 250 6'7 monsters.

 

2011:

Arreola vs. Tua

Boytsov vs. Povetkin

Dimitrenko vs. Helenius - for European title

Chambers vs. Thompson - for US title

Helenius vs Chambers - for Intercon title

2012:

Povetkin vs. Chambers 2

Haye vs. Adamek

 

............and Ali would not have won half his fights if he were not faster than all of his opponents.! Should the Klitschkos fight on their knees? These guys are both Really good athletes that happen to be 6'6' and 6'7'..... funny how we always hear about the "GREAT Athletes " in the NBA but the Brothers get NO credit for their athletic ability........typical double standard..........

 

Volodymyr is usually atround 241 and could easily make 230. If Vitali wanted to i imagine he could probably get down to that too.

Calling for affirmative action in the boxing ring too now? Don't remember as many people crying about this when Lewis, or Bowe were at the top or when a hope like Grant was being called the next great American HW.

You're a *****. Klychko's are on top right now deal with it, or don't. Just stfu and stop polluting this place with your stupidity and ***'ness

 

I can't see as how you can say fighters like Kevin Johnson, Juan Carlos Gomez, an in-shape (against the K Bros he was) Samuel Peter, Calvin Brock, Sultan Ibragimov, and Ruslan Chagaev are merely overweight and out of shape.

To say that is to discredit not only their efforts, but it mainly discredits the many hours and sweat the two brothers invest into their sport to MAKE them as dominant as they are....fight after fight.....against contender contender.

Give credit where its due. The rest of the division is not all overweight and B level fighters. I venture to say that the brothers are just that much bettter than the rest of them.


Here is my main point:

You gotta acknowledge the fact that skill, talent, and extreme dedication are just probably just as big of a factor in their dominance as their size advantage is. Size aside, both brothers look to be as skilled and as fast as just about any of these *normal sized* heavies, from what I've seen. Vitali is a very fast counterpuncher, even though he is 6 foot 8.

Sure, the size adavantage plays a pretty big role, but they never wanted to run other really big heavyweights like Valuev, Julius Long or Tye Fields out of the divsion cause they had size advantages, did they?

If, as Haye says, a great little man beats a good big man, he is stating Wlad is merely *good*, so let's see Haye prove that Wlad is merely *good*, by beating him.

Once its said and done, it'll be seen that the brothers were not only very big, they were also exceptional fighters, period. And they mark the first time in history that overly big fighters were also exceptionallly skilled.