Name some prime top 10 heavyweights that Anthony Joshua has defeated

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  1. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    You have made a lot of points so I’m going to try to make my answer as easy to follow as possible:

    1. You make the case by looking into their wins and how they actually look in the ring. Breazeale and Martin have always been average fighters even when they were undefeated. Breazeale struggled with a 40+ year old Mansour prior to fighting AJ and looked extremely average. Takam was a late replacement, that doesn’t magically make him a top 10 guy though.
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    Again we are bringing some magically ranking that we are ranking the opponents, are we obviously biased, or we are using official rankings?
    This is my problem. As our mythical rankings and fantasy this guy is in his prime and this guy is not, is very open to bias.

    Charles Martin was a Champion, as well as undefeated one. He was clearly top 10 at that time. He was 23-0-1(1draw). Also Martin had 21 KO out of 23 wins at the time he faces AJ.
    I can make a case now based on my bias that neither Hrgovic or Zhang are top 10. But this not going to mean much, right?
    He was number 1 or number 2 in the IBF at that time, the other one was Vyacheslav Glazkov. And Martin won that fight, doesn't matter how.
    And let's not forget that totally shot Martin almost beat and KO the so call next big thing > Jared Anderson.
    But again i don't buy fights years later, resume wise it's matter when you fought the guy, what happen after is irrelevant, and just wet fan dreams.

    What exactly was hilarious about the last part, and what was a lie exactly?
    That Klitschko inactivity was based on Fury ducking the rematch?
     
  2. KINGWILDER

    KINGWILDER Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Again we are bringing some magically ranking that we are ranking the opponents, are we obviously biased, or we are using official rankings?
    This is my problem. As our mythical rankings and fantasy this guy is in his prime and this guy is not, is very open to bias.

    Charles Martin was a Champion, as well as undefeated one. He was clearly top 10 at that time. He was 23-0-1(1draw). Also Martin had 21 KO out of 23 wins at the time he faces AJ.
    I can make a case now based on my bias that neither Hrgovic or Zhang are top 10. But this not going to mean much, right?
    He was number 1 or number 2 in the IBF at that time, the other one was Vyacheslav Glazkov. And Martin won that fight, doesn't matter how.
    And let's not forget that totally shot Martin almost beat and KO the so call next big thing > Jared Anderson.
    But again i don't buy fights years later, resume wise it's matter when you fought the guy, what happen after is irrelevant, and just wet fan dreams.




    What exactly was hilarious about the last part, and what was a lie exactly?
    That Klitschko inactivity was based on Fury ducking the rematch?[/QUOTE]

    If you are saying the ABC soup rankings have any validity you are reaching. Martin has never been ranked in the top 10 by the ring nor has he ever been even a top 20 guy. He did not nearly beat Andersen either, what a silly statement.

    In what world can you claim Zhang is not top 10? Hrgovic too? They are clearly way way superior to Martin - this should not be even a debate and I have no clue why you are trying to use Martin or Breazeale to prop up Joshua’s already pretty strong CV.

    It is relevant, you can’t claim Joshua beat this guy first therefore everyone who beat him after gets 0 credit. Makes no sense and you also fail to acknowledge that hype jobs exist.

    Doesn’t matter, Fury was responsible for that but it doesn’t change the fact Joshua fought Klitschko when he was inactive and older. Fury’s win > Joshua’s win over Wlad.
     
  3. ForemanJab

    ForemanJab Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    41 years old Klitschko, Joe Parker, 39 years old Povetkin, 290lbs Ruiz in the rematch
     
  4. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Francis is knocking him out guaranteed one hundred percent I hope him and his trainer Ben Davidson believe in magic because he's going to need a lot of magic to beat Francis nnganou.
     
  5. ad4m88

    ad4m88 Active Member Full Member

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    He's easily beat more top 10 fighters than fury that's all that's needed to be said really
     
  6. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fury’s record (8-0-1)

    2011 Chisora (underdog)

    2013 Cunningham (America)

    2014 Chisora

    2015 Wlad (underdog, Germany)

    2018 Wilder (underdog, America, draw)

    2019 Wallin

    2020 Wilder (underdog, America)

    2021 Wilder (America)

    2022 Whyte

    (note: favourite 2013 Haye withdrew from the scheduled Fury fight 7 days out)


    Joshua’s record (8-3)

    2015 Whyte

    2017 Wlad

    2017 Takam

    2018 Parker

    2018 Povetkin

    2019 Ruiz (America, loss)

    2019 Ruiz

    2020 Pulev

    2021 Usyk (loss)

    2022 Usyk (underdog, loss)

    2023 Wallin
     
  7. CroBox29

    CroBox29 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Joshua is an egoist who lives on old glory, whatever happened happened, the important thing is that he became a coward and will never be one of the greatest, let him get out of boxing and fight MMA fighters for easy money and leave boxing to real boxers.
     
  8. tee_birch

    tee_birch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This forum is like groundhog day
     
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  9. PunishingJab

    PunishingJab New Member Full Member

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    AJ has a really good resume. It’s the lack of heart against Ruiz and getting clearly outpointed by Usyk twice which hurts him. There’s a few old men in there but 39 is the new 29 with these heavies nowadays.
     
  10. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Not when AJ beat him.
     
  11. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    I seem to recall Whyte had a shoulder injury prior to Joshua fight. Leaves Parker and Wallin. The Parker win was a stinker but has obviously aged better.
     
  12. BlackDog

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    I got news on Polish site from 11.03.2023 with the ring magazine update their rating top 10 hw and I see here Otto Wallin on 10 place.

    He fought with Joshua on December so he was in top 10 for sure.

    Whyte dont in their fight but he became top 5 for long time little later. Phisical he was "prime" when fought Joshua.

    Wlad also was not in top 10 because of inactive but we all know that he still should be (and in reality he was) top 3- probably number 2 after Fury.
     
  13. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I meant Whyte.
     
  14. Boxing Gloves

    Boxing Gloves Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Povetkin, Pulev, Parker, Martin, Wallin and Ruiz (second fight) were all ranked top 10 at the time of fighting whether they should be or not.
     
  15. BlackDog

    BlackDog Active Member Full Member

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    And Whyte became top 10 after their fight for long time and Wład loss top 10 only because inactive wasting his time waiting for Fury.

    If Im correct Pulev was not at top 10 when he faced Joshua. He loss his position bec inactive too I guess.