Name the best challenger these champions failed to meet

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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    It is a complicated question.

    While everybody knew full well that Sharkey was the best available challenger out there he might not have had the best claim to a title shot on paper.
     
  2. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I really don't think it hurt his status as much as enhance it. He was winning the fight, had Dempsey hurt bad in the 1st and the controversial ending as well as Dempsey's remarks after the fight really had national attention. Not to mention Sharkey's crazy antics which kept him on the sports pages. Sharkey was boxoffice and I really think Tunney-Sharkey would have been a natural.

    Scartissue
     
  3. Sam Dixon

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    Speaking of "on paper", Tunney actually signed to meet Jack Sharkey, and they had an agreement to meet each other in MSG on Feb 5th of 1926, but Tunney had a change of plans for whatever reason(s), and he ended up being ridiculed and/or pressured some by the NYSAC, the press, as well as Sharkey himself for not going through with the fight and honouring the agreement.
     
  4. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Didn't know that. Thanks for the info.
     
  5. Sam Dixon

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    No problem, Janitor.
     
  6. TIGEREDGE

    TIGEREDGE Boxing Addict Full Member

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    in lennox lewis case it was ike ibeabuchi but you can't blame him for that
    Mike tyson never got to fight tim witherspoon but that was not his problem
     
  7. TIGEREDGE

    TIGEREDGE Boxing Addict Full Member

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    terrible tim could of give tyson some great problems. he had potential
     
  8. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Zactly!!!
     
  9. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Who do people think is the most deserving challenger that Joe Louis failed to meet?

    My vote would go to Jimmy Bivins.
     
  10. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I second the motion.

    Scartissue
     
  11. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Heenan drew with Sharkey and Uzcudun to get the title shot vs Tunney for a fresh face,Sharkey being Ko'd by Dempsey still dropped his standing
     
  12. Bummy Davis

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    Valdez did beat Charles in a close one but was coming off 4 losses in 53 to Baker(who was Ko'd by Moore and Satterfield in 1) Harold Johnson(who was KO'd by Moore)Billy Gilliam(who Charles beat in his next fight) and Archie Moore beat him also. Charles had a spectacular 2RD ko over Satterfield (who KO'd Baker(Valdez conqueror) and KO'd Coley Wallace in 8rds to jump ahead of Valdez(who won a disputed decision over Archie McBride) Valdez was supposed to get a shot but lost to Archie Moore again for elimination and then was dropped and dominated by Satterfield. I think there may have been a generous window of opportunity for Valdez in 54 but he was overshadowed by more deserving opponents because of his 4 losses in 53 and 2 in 1955. Marciano's record was spotless and the only easy defence was the nose tester vs Cockell but the follow up was vs the feared and well deserved Archie Moore
     
  13. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    I had never seen this fight untill it recently appeared on YouTube. Great fight and one hell of a one-punch left hook knockout that layed Satterfield out cold.
     
  14. OLD FOGEY

    OLD FOGEY Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes, but Louis was in the service and I think therefore I would pass on Bivins and say Elmer Ray. Louis could conceivably have fought him in 1946 or 1947.
     
  15. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    We are not acusing people of ducking or aportioning bame here. Just naming the most deserving challenger they did not fight for whatever reason.