Name the best non-ATG heavyweight from each decade

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  1. themostoverrated

    themostoverrated Active Member Full Member

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    Who according to you is the best non-ATG heavyweight from each decade starting from 1890s?

    By non-ATG heavyweight, I mean a boxer who was great during the decade but does not - in your opinion - deserve to be in the all-time-greats list as far as heavyweights are concerned. Such a classification is likely to be entirely subjective as different fans are likely to view fighters differently. For instance, some fans might view Lennox Lewis as an ATG, others may not. Some fans might say Mike Tyson was an all-time-great, others may feel he was only a great of his era.

    Note: The ATG classification is only for the heavyweight division. You can include fighters from other divisions who excelled at heavyweight but did not (in your opinion) achieve enough to achieve ATG status in the marquee division (e.g. Michael Spinks, Ezzard Charles etc.)

    Here is my list:

    1880s: John L Sullivan
    1890s: Jim Corbett
    1900s: James J Jeffries
    1910s: Joe Jeanette
    1920s: Harry Wills
    1930s: Max Schmeling
    1940s: Jersey Joe Walcott
    1950s: Floyd Patterson
    1960s: Floyd Patterson
    1970s: Ken Norton
    1980s: Mike Tyson
    1990s: Michael Moorer
    2000s: Chris Byrd
    2010s: Alexander Povetkin
    2020s: Oleksandr Usyk
     
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  2. Greg Price99

    Greg Price99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Excluding my top 12 HWs of all time (JL, MA, LH, LL, RM, JaJo, WK, JiJe, SL, MT, GF AND JF), my best HW of each decade:

    1890s = Bob Fitzsimmons
    1900s = Sam Langford
    1910s = Harry Wills
    1920s = Gene Tunney
    1930s = Max Schmeling
    1940s = Ezzard Charles
    1950s = Floyd Patterson
    1960s = Floyd Patterson
    1970s = Ken Norton
    1980s = Tim Witherspoon
    1990s = Evander Holyfield
    2000s = Vitali Klitschko
    2010s = Tyson Fury
     
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  3. Austinboxing

    Austinboxing British Boxing fan Full Member

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    This clown put Mike Tyson as a non ATG.
     
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  4. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Most of the guys you put are ATGs heck half are in the HOF. I was more thinking along the lines of ur one choice Tim Witherspoon and people like Povetkin Tommy Loughran Ernie Terrell and Archie Moore and Jimmy Bivins at hw. Non lineals with multiple excellent wins.
     
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  5. themostoverrated

    themostoverrated Active Member Full Member

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    Well to me at least, Tyson was a very good boxer (and an era great) but not an ATG. As I mentioned in my post, it is all subjective and up to individual opinion. The second poster in this topic for example has included Evander Holyfield among non ATGs. He is entitled to his opinion just as the way I am, and you are.
     
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  6. Greg Price99

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    ATG is subjective, as you've said. Holyfield is a p4p ATG, imo. I decided on my top 12 at HW as being excluded. I have Tyson #10 at HW and Holyfield #15.
     
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  7. Austinboxing

    Austinboxing British Boxing fan Full Member

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    There’s a difference between having an opinion and being stupid. Like if my opinion is Derik Chisora is the greatest of all time is that an opinion or is that just stupidity?
     
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  8. themostoverrated

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    If you consider Derek Chisora as the greatest ever, the general consensus would be that you are either a fan of Chisora or that your opinion is light years away from actual fact. If you say Tyson/Holyfield was not an ATG (at heavyweight), you could find people agreeing with you. That is the difference.
     
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  9. Ropeee

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    Hard workrate to not consider Mike as ATG HW
     
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  10. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    You don't consider TYSON AN ATG??!!
     
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  11. Rubber Glove Sandwich

    Rubber Glove Sandwich A lot of people have pools Full Member

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    Interesting thread idea but I'd consider more than half of those guys to be ATGS.
     
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    themostoverrated Active Member Full Member

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    I have explained already, I consider Tyson to be an excellent fighter and an 'era great', but not just an all-time-great. Maybe my definition of ATGs demands a high degree of success (wins against 'good' ATGs or an extended period of undefeated title run).
     
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  13. JackSilver

    JackSilver Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tyson not a ATG?

    lol
     
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  14. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He beat Spinks and Holmes who were ATGs and was the only man to stop them both, hes ranked in the top 10 of most peoples Heavyweights lists. I don't see how hes not regarded as an ATG for what he achieved in the 80s.

    Your post is also bit puzzling when Tyson was the best Heavyweight in the 80s, and achieved more than any other Heavyweight in 80s. Yet you don't consider him an ATG, even though he had a better title reign than Larry Holmes did in the 80s ? And was the best Heavyweight by far in that era ?
     
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  15. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    1930s: Max Schmeling
    1940s: Jimmy Bivins = ATG as Light Heavyweight but not as Heavyweight.
    1950s: Ingemar Johansson
    1960s: Jimmy Ellis = Won Heavyweight tournament wins over Quarry, Patterson, Bonavena.
    1970s: Ken Norton
    1980s: Tim Witherspoon
    1990s: Michael Moorer
    2000s: Chris Byrd
    2010s: Alexander Povetkin


    I consider Floyd Patterson an ATG and i feel like he shouldn't be on these lists.
     
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