Naoya Inoue is the Only Elite Fighter Knocking Out Other Elite Fighters

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  1. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    Luis Nery himself was gifted the WBC belt at Super Bantamweight because of the WBC's favoritism towards Mexican fighters, what exactly has Nery done at 122, guy managed to scrap by a decision vs a Mexican journeyman and won a vacant belt. Everyone knows that Nery cheated against Yamanaka in both of those fights at 118, the man is a cheating scum and once he got off the PEDS he's looked like absolute dog ****, I've been waiting for that fraud to get knocked out since 2018 and it so happens Figueroa did it in 2021.

    Also :lol: at Mark Magsayo. He beat an extremely inactive Russel Jr who hadn't fought in 2 years and injured his shoulder in the 4th round. Russel fought once per year against subpar competition, I don't think any of his opponents besides Kiko Martinez were ranked in the top 10, I'm surprised he still had his belt being inactive for that long. This is just testament to how weak the featherweight division has become over the years.
     
  2. JunlongXiFan

    JunlongXiFan 45-6 in Kirks Chmpionshp Boxing Predictions 2022 Full Member

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    I mean, present all the evidence you want, I'm definitely not omniscient even in the realm of boxing, but I'd say the lack of responses from knowledgeable boxing fans with any active name is evidence in itself that nobody else who has KOd two elite opponents is doing so consistently. Loma is 1 for 4 in terms of stopping elite opponents if we consider Linares elite.

    Regardless of whether you consider that evidence or not, we can't take hypothetical fighters that no one can remember as evidence someone else is doing it. There needs to be evidence.
     
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  3. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Any Champion of their Division is a top notch fighter who can be considered Elite. I think the fact that Inoue is Japanese and not American has a lot to do with some negative attitudes on this thread. You can damn well be sure if Inoue were an American fighter this would not even be questioned.
     
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  4. columbo

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    elite for me is a fighter with a championship belt.
    i'd consider the number of championship wins a fighter has as a measure of how good he is. inoue has (i believe) 19 world title fights and won them all. who else has this many championship wins?
     
  5. JunlongXiFan

    JunlongXiFan 45-6 in Kirks Chmpionshp Boxing Predictions 2022 Full Member

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    See, this is why I don't really like debating on the lower weight classes. Imagine how ridiculous you'd sound saying wins over the #1 don't matter in any weight class 135+. To be respected as a good fighter below 135 you basically have to be HoF/pound for pound level, and it's ridiculous.
     
  6. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    Inoue got a lot of posters losing sleep.
     
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  7. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "if we consider Linares elite."

    I don't see how we can't by your criteria given he was the current Ring champion at 135. If he's not elite then we either need a new metric or it becomes an exercise in complete subjectivity.

    "we can't take hypothetical fighters that no one can remember as evidence someone else is doing it"

    Perhaps Inoue is the only active fighter in the sport who has either KO'd all of his 2+ or a majority of his 3+ opponents who were rated No.1 (excluding himself) by Ring in his weight class at the time. I haven't trawled through the monthly Ring rankings or the lower weight classes to find out, nor does anyone track it. On the face of it it's impressive but is it especially meaningful given the fact that heavier fighters can't hop between weights so easily and struggle more to make fights?

    Edit: Jermell Charlo also qualifies as a fighter KO'ing other elite fighters regularly: Rosario was No.2 with Ring behind Charlo, Castano was also 2nd to Charlo, so he's 2/3.
     
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  8. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    Yes, Inoue's victim's have been elite. If you don't think Donaire is elite then go back to boxing 101.

    Yes, Beterbiev has been koing elite fighters - the Nail was elite. But some of his other opponent are not quite st that level. Once Beterbiev gets Bivol into the ring he can match Inoue.
     
  9. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Linares was ranked #1 at 135 and P4P#11 by The Ring.

    And if your definition of elite is the best fighters at the weight and champs at the weight then he sparked Martinez, as with Linares, in his first fight at the weight, both of whom were much heavier than him

    And let's not forget that Inoue turned pro aged 19 and is a four weight champ, whereas, conversly, Loma might only be a three weight champ but he turned pro at 25 and would've been a six weight champion had he turned pro at 19 with 24 hour weigh ins and he's completely maxed out at 135 and is routinely facing giants who are much bigger, longer and heavier than him. Like 2-3 divisions heavier often times with close to six inch reach advantages or 4 divisions with close to six inches in reach in Haney's case.

    I'm not trying to get into a pissing contest about who has or would've won titles in more weights between Inoue and Loma but rather just pointing out that one of them turned pro way younger and that people who are acting like Loma has only moved up in weight twice and is in his third weight class are ignoring the fact that 135 would've been his sixth division or more had he turned pro 6 years or more younger.

    And we know Inoue is a harder puncher P4P than Loma. He's the best puncher in the sport IMO and his KO prowess is amazing.
     
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  10. makzy

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    As some others have already pointed out, the talent pool in the divisions he's fought at is not great - I don't think he's fought even one truly "elite" boxer.

    There are levels to this sport, just like any other, and at the highest level, you don't see that many knockouts because the boxers make much fewer mistakes. This happens in pretty much any sport - the highest level is usually regarded as "boring" by casual fans.
     
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  11. box33

    box33 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Indeed Beterbiev's the Peoples Champ.
     
  12. box33

    box33 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You Dirty Dog you killed my Brother!!
     
  13. PIPO23

    PIPO23 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This weekend you will see real elite vs elite match up.Evenly in every category pnd for pnd, power for power.Record for record.Belt for belt etc.Will be the number 1 in baxxing as of 30-07-2023.Real elites fo real.
     
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  14. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    That will change tonight, when Crawford sleeps Sleepy Eyed Earl.
     
  15. PIPO23

    PIPO23 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What the heck you on about Willis?Fulton a fake elite..Just like Buttler and Mcdonalds.