Naoya Inoue Vs. Juan Francisco Estrada — Who Wins?

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Naoya Inoue Vs. Juan Francisco Estrada — Who Wins?

  1. Inoue By T/KO

  2. Inoue By Decision

  3. Estrada By T/KO

  4. Estrada By Decision

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  1. Dynamicpuncher

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    Look i know your a big fan of his but the fact is his best win is over an old Donaire, Estrada would be far and away the best opponent Inoue has fought. I want to see Inoue beat more household names before i start putting him on a pedestal. Yes he has talent and yes he's looked impressive beating some solid names, but hes yet to really beat a household name unless you count an old Donaire.

    If Inoue beats Estrada all credit to him, he would of beaten one of the best fighters in the sport.
     
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  2. Dynamicpuncher

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    Donaire had already been multiple times by Walters, Rigondeaux, Magdaleno, Frampton, in fairly convincing losses when Inoue beat him. It's not like this was the 2011 Donaire who was being hyped up as the next Manny Pacquiao. And the 1st fight with Donaire/Inoue was actually a very competitive fight, and the rematch which was 3 years later was when Donaire was 40 years old.

    Again i think people are misunderstanding what i'm saying, i don't dislike Inoue he's actually one of my favourite fighters. But i'm not quite ready to put him on pedestal yet as i would like to see him beat more household names, he's a very talented fighter and has beaten some solid names impressively. But as i said i want to him face the likes of Estrada, then if he dispatches the likes of Estrada impressively i'll be the first one to put him on a pedestal.
     
  3. JOKER

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    If you don't know understand what you're seeing across his 10 years in the pro game, then you should stop watching boxing.
     
  4. Dynamicpuncher

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    Read what i said again i clearly pointed out he's a great talent. It's just i would like to see him beat more household names before i put him on a pedestal. There's been plenty of great Bantamweights of the past, has Inoue beat anyone close to the level of Olivares ? Zarate ? Jofre ? Chandler ? Harada ?

    Beating the likes of Estrada would go someway to proving his greatness.
     
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  5. JOKER

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    Beating Estrada elevates him... How?

    Estrada was comprehensively beaten by Chocolatito in the second fight and he almost lost the trilogy fight despite Chocolatito looking old and slow. In his previous fights, he was knocked down and hurt by shot Cuadras and taken into deep waters by a no namer. On top of that, he was repeatedly buzzed by SSR in their fights.

    Inoue would have knocked out Estrada at any point of their respective careers. If they were to fight now, at 118, Inoue would violently KO him in a one-sided fight. Estrada doesn't even make it past Nonito, which is said to be a fight the WBC is pushing.

    Estrada doesn't beat Moloney or Rodriguez or Nonito at 118. Payano might be a 50/50 fight. They're too big and strong for him.

    You're not understanding what you're seeing. It's okay, dude.
     
  6. JOKER

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    Nonito despite being huge at the lower weights wasn't nearly as effective at the higher weights. Hence when he made his return to 118, he blew away 4 guys with highlight reel KOs (3 undefeated, 1 belt holder) before and after the first Inoue fight. He was competitive with Inoue in the first fight because he broke Inoue's eye socket in the second round. Even then Inoue outboxed him soundly and was robbed of a TKO victory.

    As well, the P4P monster that was Nonito who was coming off of icing fellow P4Per Montiel, couldn't put a dent in Narvaez. 3 years later, green and still developing 7-0 Inoue blew him away in the second round.
     
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  7. Dynamicpuncher

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    Simple Estrada is considered one of the best smaller fighters in the sport.

    Estrada beat Gonzalez in their 2nd fight he wasn't "comprehensively beaten", and then won the 3rd fight in the most convincing win out of the trilogy in most peoples eyes. Cuadras knocked down Estrada yes but Estrada took over in the 2nd half of the fight, and was the first man to stop Cuadras who is a quality fighter, and would be one of Inoue's best wins had he beat Cuadras.

    I'm not saying Inoue wouldn't beat Estrada at any point in their careers, but it would certainly be the best win on Inoue's resume.

    Again i don't know why you keep you saying that, i've said countless times Inoue is a fantastic fighter/talent and one of my favourite current fighters at the moment. But i still want to see him beat more household names that's all i've said, he's beat plenty of good/solid names impressively. But he's yet to have his defining fight as of yet for me hopefully he gets it soon.
     
  8. PIPO23

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    Would have to be catchweight.This will only make Inoue look bad.Catch weight and beating dinosaurs is not a great look.Remember when Pac critized for fighting old washep up fighters and at catchweight.Inoue shouldn’t get a pass.Why do he? Donairesaur was a fossil and even prime he wasn’t that great.Like poster above needs better opps.
     
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    Estrada's getting by on his reputation, which he deserves. But again, look at the reality — he's looked vulnerable of late and was almost drowned by a no name tune-up before Chocolatito III. In the Chocolatito rematch, the majority Mexican crowd rained boos down on his when the decision was read. It was a robbery.

    Inoue knocking him out at 118 wouldn't be the best win of his career as Moloney, Rodriguez, and Nonito would also beat him at 118. Probably McDonnell as well.

    Estrada enhances Inoue's resume for mostly name value at this point. Inoue tearing through the 3 weight divisions by highlight reel KOs across 10 years isn't enough?

    :lol:
     
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    Casimero barely squeaked by an ancient Rigondeaux who in his next fight got beaten up by a no namer. Casimero barely won against Rigondeaux. Astrolabio outboxed, dropped, and put a beating on Rigondeaux. Let that sink in. LOL!

    And then he turned down the Inoue fight, screwed up the Butler and Donaire fights, and got dropped by his last fight by a bum.

    Casimero is a bum, dude. And YOU KNOW that Inoue will smoke him.

    :lol:
     
  11. PIPO23

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    Rungundeaux is Donairesaur papi.Rungundeaux was running in zig zag pattern all over the ring.It wasn’t because of footwear slippage.Casimero made him act scuured.Never seen Rigo do that in his career.I mean he didnt do that against.Nonaire or Astrolabio.Something about Casimero powar.Donare backing out.Buttler using sonar excuse.Okaho quitting.We’ll they will all get that reality check.
     
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  12. JOKER

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    Butler fathered Sultan who fathered Casimero.

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  13. PIPO23

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    Buttler is a buttler for Tete.
     
  14. PIPO23

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    Weak opps! Stop giving the guy a pass.Weak div with Donairsaur the best available opp.Remember when Pac got slammed for fighting washed up opp.Hoya,Mosley who were 35 or 36.Hell he got smacked hard for beating old Morales, Barrera and Marquez.Why do dis guy get a pass?
     
  15. JOKER

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    That's just Floyd fans. You acting like a Floydette these days, bruh. Stop being a hater and appreciate.