Naoya Inoue vs. Marlon Tanan Tapales & Seiya Tsutsumi vs. Kazuki Anaguchi RBR.

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  1. Serge

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    I saw Tapales touch down in that round but I didn't think anything of it as I assumed he slipped in the corner and the ref was quick to dismiss it. I'll have to watch it again

    Yeah, he's KO'd the two top dogs at 122 in back to back fights in his first two fights at that weight and arguably not lost a round in the process. Granted he looked roughly the same size as them or not much smaller if not but Crawford fought Jeffrey Horn for his 147 debut, a division he's still big for, and it took him 5 years to become undisputed.

    As said, he always looked in control to me, was never remotely in any trouble or in danger of losing control, and when he really put his foot down and opened up in round 4 he hurt Tapales and dropped him. Tapales fought well enough and made it competitive but at no point did I think he stood a chance of winning.

    As Jemal Herring said during the fight, when you're an aggressive fighter you leave much more openings for you to get hit. That's why I rate super aggressive defensive specialists like Loma far higher defensively than back foot safety first defensive specialists and Inoue is aggressive too and doesn't really get hit much. The fact that it's so noticeably when he actually does get hit says a lot too.

    Do you have any idea how much Inoue is coming in at these days up at 122? I wonder how much he's bulked up and how much he intends to for 126.
     
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  2. Diagoras

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    Ya 135 lbs on fight day (not sure if that's right before the fight started) vs 139 for Tapales:

    "Correlation Between Body Weight and Resilience - Insights from Inoue's Latest Match"

    On the day of the match, the weight difference was more than 2 kg... the correlation between resilience and body weight. After the match, when Tapales was asked for advice against future opponents, especially Inoue, he responded with a simple "Good luck" without much elaboration. However, observing the performance in this fight, it becomes evident that to contend evenly with Inoue and secure victory, a certain level of "resilience" to withstand his powerful hits is a necessary condition.

    Before moving up to the super bantamweight division, Inoue had predicted various changes resulting from the weight class increase. One of these changes was an expected increase in the durability of opponents. In this match, Inoue's weight on the day of the fight was 61.4 kg, while Tapales weighed 63.5 kg. In July, Stephen Fulton was 61.1 kg, so Tapales was heavier. Although weight and durability are not directly equal, there might be some correlation to a certain extent.

    Inoue convincingly defeated Fulton, who was considered the strongest in the class in his first match after moving up a weight class, seemingly dispelling the discussion about the "barrier of weight classes." However, there is certainly a difference between bantamweight and super bantamweight, as evidenced by this match. Looking ahead, when facing tougher opponents, how will Inoue handle the challenges? This experience is likely to be a significant asset for Inoue, known for his high learning ability. In 2024, we eagerly anticipate witnessing his further evolution.

    https://topics.smt.docomo.ne.jp/article/numberweb/sports/numberweb-860167?fm=latestnews

    Japanese search phrase I used in google is 井上尚弥のタパレス戦の体重増加

    Inoue looked noticeably heavier than in the Fulton fight to me
     
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  3. Serge

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    Excellent work. Thanks a lot :thumbsup:

    His weight is about what I've estimated it was before IIRC. He's got big legs and calves so it's hard to get a proper gauge on his weight

    Fulton looked bigger to me but it seems they were roughly the same weight as each other. Either way, it didn't look like there was much separating them

    I've tried to find out his ring weights a bunch of times on Google using translate but I've not had much success even though I spent a fair while trying
     
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  4. Diagoras

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    Google Translate isn't good for Japanese

    You should use ChatGPT & DeepL for Japanese to English & vice versa translation. The English phrase I asked ChatGPT to translate was:

    Naoya Inoue's weight gain for the Tapales fight

    I then used the ChatGPT output in Japanese to search in Google
     
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  5. Robotman9000

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    I don't think he kd'd Tapales in 2. He stepped on Tapales foot for just a split second before the knockdown
     
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  6. Serge

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    OK thanks. I've never used those before but I will try them next time :thumbsup:
     
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    Footage of the slip/KD in round 2, Inoue briefly steps on part of Tapales's foot before landing the punch, might be why ref ruled it a slip
     
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  8. Serge

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    Thanks. Yeah he steps on his toes as the punch lands but it's hard to tell how much of a part that played in Tapales touching down. Some refs would've counted that as a KD
     
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    His fight day weight for the Fulton fight was 60.1 kg or 132.5 lbs:

    Inoue, who weighed 60.1 kg last time, will enter the ring with a 5 kg recovery, saying, "I'm thinking of coming into the ring at about that weight this time.
    https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/a757135dc9850daa0cbcd6c2be62caa25d2e207d

    Against Tapales it was 135.4 lbs, so an increase of 3 lbs between the 2 fights
     
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    Thanks. So he's still rehydrating about 13lbs now (as in since his last fight) which is what he was rehydrating at 118. He's not small for the weight but it's hard to see him going to 130 or above. Not saying he can't win titles at 130 but if he's facing huge 130 pounders or massive weight bullies, especially if they're very good fighters too, it will be difficult for him and even more so if he wants to become undisputed at that weight.
     
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  11. Grinder

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    Yes, the fix was in, Tapales went down on the 75th power punch that landed flush. He'd taken a beating and the temple shots can really discombobulate. It's almost like been spun around 1000 times with their eyes closed and told to run in a certain direction. It happens in boxing.
     
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  12. CST80

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    This is all I can find on the condition of Anaguchi. If true, his career is certainly over, but fingers crossed, maybe it's not as bad as previously thought if a conservative option is even on the table.

    Translated from Japanese.

    "There were rumors that Kazuki Anaguchi, who fought fiercely against Seiya Tsutsumi, would undergo craniotomy due to intracerebral hemorrhage, but he himself experienced intracerebral hemorrhage and was unable to stand due to weakness in his lower body. He was told that there was a high chance that he would suffer from after-effects if he underwent craniotomy, so he underwent conservative treatment in the ICU and fasted for three days. If I had surgery, I think it would be difficult for me to remain active, so I hope it's a lie."

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  13. Diagoras

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    I think he will start to struggle at 126 itself against certain guys due to size

    2 I have in mind are Kholmatov & Espinoza

    Not saying he won't beat them but it will be a tough ask leave alone a guy like Navarrete at 130

    A lot will depend on how well he can carry up his power & speed because all these guys at 126 & 130 are there to be hit

    Some want him to move up right away to 126 but these people are molded by whatever Pacquiao did instead of seeing it as an exception

    If he does become undisputed at 126 & 130 that would still be exceptional as to my knowledge only Manny would have won in more weight classes & Inoue would be the only guy to be 4X undisputed in the 4 belt era. Interestingly Japanese consider Manny a 6 weight world champ not 8 it seems based on this detailed pre-fight interview Inoue (where he anticipated a tougher fight from Tapales than Fulton) gave:

    ──Fulton's body was big, wasn't it, until the day before the match? But when I got into the ring, I didn't feel the "bigness" that I had in my impression until the day before. That's the mysterious part of boxing again.
    Inoue: I think there's an aura that you emit when you step into the ring. And even if it feels big at first, as you progress the fight advantageously, the sense of size can reverse. Manny Pacquiao (Philippines, former world champion in six weight classes) has felt that too, hasn't he?

    https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...-tapales-fight-would-go-from-november.714550/

    The reason being that they only recognize 1 of the 4 belts as legit not this "lineal" stuff

    I definitely see 135 as a bridge too far, if he can continue his dominance & become undisputed at 126 & 130, he would have already exceeded my current expectations
     
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  14. Flo_Raiden

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    I finally saw Seiya Tsutsumi vs. Kazuki Anaguchi and hot damn what a great scrap that was. That was undoubtedly a FOTY contender, and round 9 was just exhilarating. Can't believe I missed out on it initially but I'm glad I finally caught the replay. Another great fight to add for an awesome year of boxing.
     
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  15. Serge

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    It would be extremely impressive if he can achieve that

    I compare him to Loma when it comes to moving up in weight and in particular moving up to 130 and especially 135 because they aren't far away in terms of size at all.

    Inoue might be a four division champ to Loma's three but he turned pro way younger than Loma at almost 19.5 y/o compared to Loma doing so at 25 going on 26. Obviously had Loma turned pro at Inoue's age he would've turned pro at a much lower weight than he did.

    Loma was able to win 3/4 belts at 135 and should've won 4/4 against Haney but the size of 135 pounders these days is ridiculous, especially the massive weight bully ones, both in terms of weight and reach, and Loma has different attributes which enables him to compete at that weight class and he's a bit bigger than Inoue.

    As skilled as Inoue is, he's more exceptional power based + elite skills with very good defence, whereas Loma is more exceptional skills and defence + good power and it was plain to see that Loma was a lot less effective at 135 than he was at 126 and 130 due to the huge physical advantages he's giving away up there against those giants and massive weight bullies who look like the walking dead on crack at weigh ins so I can't see Inoue's power carrying up to 135.

    I said I thought it would carry up to 122 based off how destructive it was at 118 and I think it will carry up to 126 too but the punches coming back at him are going to get harder and the chins up there more sturdy. 126 is where size is going to start becoming an issue for him and 130 might be a big issue. 135 is too much because, as said those guys are really big and the massive weight bullies are coming in at 153-155 and 160 in the likes of Haney's case.

    I think he can become a champion at 126 and probably 130 but trying to become undisputed at 130 might even be a step too far depending on the quality and size of the champs up there at the time. Don't forget that a lot of these multiple weight champs and multiple weight greats jacked themselves with PEDs to help them bridge the gap to campaign at higher weights and some were/are slapping catchweights and rehydration clauses on their bigger opponents. Inoue and Loma have never done that.

    That's interesting about them only considering Manny a six-weight champ.

    So 126 is very doable for Inoue but 130 might be his ceiling. If he can win titles at 126, 130 and 135 that would be amazing
     
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