Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by JunlongXiFan, Sep 20, 2022.
No, because Devin Haney weighs over 150 pounds in the ring. Haney would absolutely dwarf Duran
Inoue would dwarf Gomez at 122 and probably KO him in the first minute of the first round. Giving up 10-15ish pounds to Inoue is not something you want to do. 130 Gomez vs Inoue makes much more sense.
Can you explain that in detail?
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Why not match-up 115 version of Inoue vs 122 Gomez. Both probably around 130 lbs in the ring. Then it's a fair fight.
I didn't want to respond to it initially, as it's probably better suited for general forum, but I don't think Inoue's resume is "overrated". It's just not very good, which is sad - because He won first title very early, there was a hype behind him for a long time, but reality is He beat a weak title-holder at 108, then jumped over stacked 112 division to beat 40 years old aging champion at 115, at home, then didn't get fights with top dogs at that divison either, was defending his belts against very low quality contenders - and while He's now in the process of cleaning out 118, it's not very talent-rich pool.
Inoue lack of resume makes it hard for me to consider him in mythical match-ups against proven greats. He has a lot of work to do still.
Please show me where in the Sky broadcast these weights were displayed. 131 is around what I was expecting from Inoue. I know he was 127 for Nieves as a super flyweight.
144 for McDonnell seems like a typo to me. None of the fighters I've tracked around the weight have come in above 134, including super bantamweights who had trouble making 122. 135-136 is featherweight territory. Corrales, for example, was 143 at the tail-end of his super featherweight run.
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144. Dude was a truly enormous bantamweight. And Inoue laid him out without difficulty.
He has a pretty good resume, man. He's 9-0 vs champs and 16-0 in title fights. If you follow the lower weights, his body of work is very good. Guys like Rodriguez, Moloney and Taguchi may not capture the casual fan's imagination, but Rodriguez was champ, Taguchi became a unified champ later and Moloney is currently #2 at BW according to The Ring (but #4 according to me). Only Golovkin and Canelo have more total wins over Ring rated contenders among active fighters. According to The Ring Inoue has beaten 3/4 of the rest of the top 5, and he's about to KO Paul Butler to become undisputed. Not to mention retired champs he has beaten at BW like McDonnell
Roberto Duran was trained/educated by Freddie Brown with a chain of boxing knowledge that went back over a century. What does Inoue have going for him?
The difference in skill and knowledge would be so vast....Duran would savage him like he did to Moore.
Thanks for the link. I didn't see where Inoue's weight was revealed. Interesting that this author purports McDonnell's weight to be more than that of fighters who have never, ever made bantamweight. He's supposed to be bigger than Erik Morales and Mayweather at super featherweight, and bigger than Nate Campbell and Juan Diaz as lightweights. If this is to be believed, this puts him around the same size as Pacquiao, Gatti and Corrales at 130. As a bantamweight, he's bigger than Nonito Donaire's ever been at any weight.
I follow the lower weights very closely (Probably closer than The Ring guys to be honest). Inoue's resume is indeed pretty good (For today's standards, which is why He belongs in PFP lists), but rather poor for historical standards. Since it's a classic forum, I think those are the standards that We should apply here.
Taguchi and Moloney are workmen-like, solid fighters. One hasn't one a belt and other is among the poorer unified champions lately, next to guys like Indongo. McDonnell is similar. Always fit, always solid - but that's about it (Again, historically speaking - to not make it sound like I'm dismissive, all those guy are good fighters obviously). If those are the fighters We have to mention to prove how good someone's resume is, then I think that's a case in my point.
Even comparion to some of the other best little men of recent time, his resume is not really close to that of Roman and Estrada - and I'd argue even Kazuto Ioka built a stronger one (While Inoue is far more dominant and overall impressive).
Lot of work to do, before I could consider him a threat to Gomez or Duran.
In this imaginary scenario Duran decimates him.
But Haney is still a 135lb fighter nonetheless.
As much as we would like to speculate a styles match up between Inoue and Duran, the fact of the matter is that this is still a very implausible and impractical match up because of the weight disparity. There's no way to know how Inoue matches up with any 135lb fighter if we haven't even seen him fight any legit fighters at 122 - 130 lbs.
Even if we were to imagine if Inoue was the same size as Duran, stylistically Duran is all wrong for Inoue. Prime LW Duran would just ravage Inoue.
Inoue already weighs around 135 pounds. He was 131 way back when he fought McDonnell. The guys you see in the ring today at 122 are often around 135.
But let's ignore all the weight stuff
Inoue doesn't do poorly vs pressure fighters. He has pretty easily dispatched of all the head-first fighters he has fought, except one slightly difficult match where he was unfortunate to get a break in the second round. Overall though, his style of stepping away and landing two big shots when his opponents run at him, then chasing his opponent down when he see's them start to step back, is kryptonite for pressure fighters.
Why are you only basing off his weight on fight night? So he rehydrates around 130ish on the day he fought McDonnell, big deal. That has no bearings at all about his capabilities against real FW or LW fighters because we haven't seen it happen. Let's be realistic and honest about it. Until we see him step up to those weight classes it's just absurd to be making a hypothetical match up between Inoue and Duran. It's as impractical as Roman Gonzalez vs Salvador Sanchez.
In regards to Inoue dealing with pressure fighters we haven't seen him fight enough of fighters that really push him to the edge other than Donaire. Inoue is a great counter puncher though so that bodes well for him against fighters that come to him. The biggest test for Inoue against a pressure/swarmer type of fighter would be someone like Brandon Figueroa.