Naoya Inoue's defense

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  1. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member

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    Word.
     
  2. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    The left hook in the second broke his eye, ya heard? He fought with double vision for the next 10 rounds and Nonito manage to get 2 more nukes in.

    Other than that, he rolls a lot of punches and it's hard to catch him flush.

    B+/A-.
     
  3. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    He's a wee bit static and upright at times, but generally his defence is sound. All round good blocking, parrying, head movement and control of distance.

    His offence is a big part of his defence though. Fighters are afraid to open up or go on the offensive against a man so devastating.
     
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  4. drenlou

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    I dont know mayne. I think tomato(e) has a point when he said "GOOD" defense. He can't be a paranoid android, could he?
     
  5. PIPO23

    PIPO23 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Why do he need defense when who he fighting a bunch of 30 to 40 percent KO percentagers opps? Go in thurr and slap em around quick that all ya gotta do nothing coming back except for Honito BS left hook.
     
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  6. Serge

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    Loma is routinely fighting giants at 135 who not only outweigh him by close to two, two or three divisions but who also have huge reach advantages on him and Inoue has 2'' longer reach than T-Rex arms Loma

    At 118

    Inoue 67½'' reach

    Butler 65''
    Nonito 68½''
    Dasmarinas 66''
    Maloney 65''
    Rodriguez 66½''
    Payano 64½''
    McDonnell 71½''

    Dipaen's reach isn't listed on Boxrec

    Been at a reach disadvantage twice

    At 135

    Loma not only hasn't had a reach advantage but he's been at a 3-5½'' disadvantage all but once and with the exception of McDonnell Inoue is generally fighting guys who roughly weigh the same as him and if they are heavier than him than ain't 2 or even 3 divisions heavier, again, sans McDonnell

    Loma 65½'' reach

    Commey 71''
    Nakatani 71''
    Campbell 71''
    Pedraza 70½''
    Linares 69''
    Ortiz 69''
    Teofimo 68½''
    Crolla 67''

    Here's what Inoue has to say about facing Fulton, who has a 70½'' reach which is 3'' longer than Inoue's, and fighters who are adept at keeping the distance

    'NI: Of course, I didn’t have to lose as much weight and that was huge. It might be that Japanese boxers, myself included, generally lose too much weight (fighting in unnaturally light weight classes), so as we move up the weight class, our power increases. I also feel that if I move up to 122, my power will still increase, and I can hit harder. Featherweight is probably my limit, (at that weight) my body will be heavy, so my speed will drop.

    RTV: What is your impression of the two 122-pound champs – Murodjon Akhmadaliev and Stephen Fulton? Which one is likely to be your target when you move up?

    NI: I haven’t watched much of Akhmadaliev yet, only a few highlights here and there. He has solid technique and is a strong fighter. I can see that he had a formidable amateur career supported by the Uzbekistan system.

    RTV: How about Fulton?

    NI: I watched the Fulton-Brandon Figueroa fight. Fulton is a technical fighter. He can keep his distance very well. I only watched one of his fights and I don’t think the Figueroa fight was his best, so I’d rather not say much more. If we fight each other, I think it will be a great technical battle. It won’t be an easy fight. Fulton has a long reach, and I think it's about how (well I close) the distance

    Inoue is great and has always been good and underrated by many defensively but in terms of skills and defence he ain't no otherworldly boxing magician like Loma is who still sports some of the best plus minus stats in the sport despite the fact he's routinely facing giants who hold huge physical advantages on him. When he was down at 130 and 126 and not giving away such huge physical advantages he was the #1 in that regard. That's no knock on Inoue because no current other fighter is, especially when you factor in the huge size, weight and reach disadvantages. Inoue is a highly skilled devastating power punching destroyer with very good and underrated defence
     
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  7. JunlongXiFan

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    Nowadays I'd say A-. When this thread was made I'd say like C+ at best.
     
  8. JOKER

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    Yeah, we'll have to see when Inoue fights dudes that are significantly bigger than him, but nonetheless, he's just as offensive as Lomachenko and the only active guy that gets hit less is Bivol.

    More to the point, it's just addressing the guys that give Crawford and Clenelo crazy points for being defensively slick when both get hit way more than Inoue (especially Crawford who gets lit up in the early rounds).
     
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  9. RJJFan

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    His defense gets better as the fight goes since his opponents becomes more and more defensive when they get hit.
     
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  10. hoopsman

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    Lengthy but largely irrefutable.
     
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  11. mirexxa

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  12. PIPO23

    PIPO23 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well Nonaire the only one to make him pay for lapses in defense. Do damage because most of his opponents hit like girls. 40 percent KO percentage average. You can go around convincing us their killers. Like Narvaez. Mcdonell and Buttler but....Tell us their KO percentage.Pillow fist puffers or sledgehammers? well..

    https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/331048
    https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/554173
     
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  13. PIPO23

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    Casimero has fought Rigo Nonaire papi and is known to be a jaw breaker and qutter. But still hits harder than anyone on his resume. Tete is Buttler Papi hold the fastest KO and made Buttler sleep unconcious. Micah has 70 percent KO rate which what Mcdonell and Buttler has combined. Now come get some.
     
  14. Serge

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    Fighting way bigger, heavier and longer opponents who know how to use their length and range and keep you at distance isn't an easy puzzle to solve, especially when facing ones who can punch and are big/huge bangers for a weight class you don't belong in, and it takes special qualities to be able to overcome the problems that presents, even more so when you're routinely facing such huge physical advantages.

    Inoue is much bigger at 118 than Loma is at 135 and whilst he's an excellent fighter who is strong in all departments it's his devastating power which makes him so formidable, whereas it's Loma's insane off the chart skill level which makes him so formidable and able to complete against these giants.

    If Inoue was routinely facing world champions and skillful top contenders who weighed 2 or 3 divisions more than him and had huge reach advantages on him who know how to use their length and keep things at their preferred distance and range he would get hit a lot more and find it more difficult to land with his own shots. Everyone would because you have to be able to close the distance and then get back out again without getting clipped or walking into a big shot.

    Also, that devastating power of his is going to make his opponents a lot more wary of throwing. We saw that the other night against Butler albeit I had the later well ahead in that one prior to the Hail Mary miracle finish

    I agree with your second point. Many do the same with Bivol. People blow a ton of smoke up Shakur's ass for his defence but no one ever mentions Bivol's name even though he's right up there in terms of being one of the best defensive fighters in the sport.
     
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  15. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I agree with both you and myself
     
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