Napoles-Duran/Conteh-Monzon in 1975 were being discussed. Who wins?

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  1. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I was reading an article from April 1975 - an interview with Don King - and in it King mentions some fights he was working on.

    In addition to Ali-Bugner II and other fights that were inked, King said he was trying to put together Jose Napoles (the welterweight champ) vs. Roberto Duran (the WBA lightweight champ) and Carlos Monzon (the middleweight champ) vs. John Conteh (the newly crowned WBC light heavyweight champ).

    Napoles vs. Duran in 1975 and Conteh vs. Monzon in 1975.

    Two intriguing fights.

    Any thoughts on how they may have played out?
     
  2. Foxy 01

    Foxy 01 Boxing Junkie banned

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    Conteh is simply too big and powerful for Monzon. Duran beats Jose comfortably in 75.
     
  3. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jose had faded, since his prime 1969 early-70's days. Duran would beat him by decision..or TKO cut.

    If Monzon came in as a super-MW, with no "move-up" fights before the Title fight, then Conteh should win by decision. And since both of them love the night-life, they might take some "high-powered women" out post fight for a little fight talk and "horizontal exercise".
     
  4. Clinton

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    Mantequilla was at the end and was showing it. Duran beats him in 75, perhaps by tko. Carlos was approaching the end too, but still kick ass. Even though he and Conteh are close in height and reach, John is a natural 175 pounder, and, I believe, a bridge to far for Carlos to handle. Conteh by decision.
     
  5. Clinton

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    :lol::goodI love this post.
     
  6. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Conteh and Duran win.



    Duran had the frame,we all know,to move up and be very effective at Welter. Monzon would n't have beaten Conteh. Even though Carlos was an all time great 160 lb man,175 lb would have been too much a leap with an accomplished foe such as Conteh in he opposing corner. John was around the best we ever saw him at this time.
     
  7. Clinton

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    :goodJohn was terrific! I'm delighted he gets his proper respect here on the General!
     
  8. turnip

    turnip Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Conteh would have outpointed monzon John is a very underrated fighter and Duran would have stopped Naples late in a great fight.i can picture monzon having a crafty *** between rnds.and throwing his misses out the window.
     
  9. Flash24

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    Conteh is very underrated, he had the misfortune of coming between the wrecking ball called Bob Foster , and the ultimate warrior in Saad Muhammed. like Larry Holmes who really for a long period didn't get the credit he deserved, Coming between Ali and Tyson. Conteh beats Monzon convincingly. Unanimous dec. Duran was coming into his prime in 75, going up the mountain, Napoles on the other hand was going down the mountain. Damn near in the valley. Duran would destroy Napoles in 75...
     
  10. Dubblechin

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    Well, if everyone agrees Duran beats Napoles to win the welterweight title in 1975 ... how does that impact the rest of the welterweight division moving ahead after 1975?

    Does that mean John H. Stracey and Carlos Palomino never win the title - if they have to go through Duran to win it?

    Does that mean there's no WBA lineage with Angel Espada and Pipino Cuevas ... if Duran beats Napoles before Napoles vacated the WBA title?

    Cuevas was a nobody when he fought Espada and won the title. Does the world welterweight champ Duran in 1976 or so ever fight Cuevas?

    Or, if the title was split before Duran beat Napoles, how do you see a Duran-Cuevas unification going around 1977?

    Would Wilfred Benitez have beaten Duran around 1978 (when Benitez did beat Palomino)?

    Hell, would Sugar Ray Leonard have even won the welterweight title in 1979/1980 if Duran had won the title there in 1975?

    Would Tommy Hearns have destroyed Duran in 1980 or so ... like he did at junior middleweight years later?

    Many questions.

    How does the welterweight division look from 1975 to 1980 or so if Duran won the title from Napoles ... and Duran was at or near his prime as the welterweight champ?
     
  11. Longhhorn71

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    Interesting questions...since Duran's actual move to WW didn't come to 1978.....and he beat Ray Lampkin, Lou Bizzarro, & Esteban DeJesus by KO in Ltwght Title fights during that 3 year period.

    Ironically, the underrated Saoul Mamby lost only by decision to Duran in 1976.

    In reality, Duran may only have been a true Jr.Welter up to late 1978, and avoided a stiff challenge from Antonio Cervantes (& maybe Alexis Arquello), but could have beaten a worn Napoles.

    Benetiz did beat Palomino.....and probably could have "defended" or "Unified" against a WW Duran due to "styles".
     
  12. turnip

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    Bloody hell that's given me a headache.
     
  13. mcvey

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    I agree Napoles was showing wear and tear by then.Conteh would be too much for Carlos.
     
  14. Clinton

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    I feel that Duran was totally wrong for Alexis. I also feel that a Duran Benitez fight in the mid to late 70s would have been a different result than the one that actually happened as Roberto was very hit or miss above 147.
     
  15. red cobra

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    Hell, why even talk about a 1975 match between Napoles and Duran...in hindsight we know that Mantequilla lost to an inferior opponent that year in John Stracey...a guy who he would have casually disposed of a mere few years earlier,....never mind facing a Duran. Better to consider a 1970 matchup between them, and I think Napoles would have outpointed Duran.
    As for Monzon-Conteh, Monzon, much like Hagler, wasn't suited for the 175 lb division...so Conteh- Monzon doesn't count much to me. Glad these two fights didn't come about.