Naseem hamed vs Barrera

Wtf. You mean Agapito?

 

Why? Are you denying Bungu s resume at 126?

 

Augie was a separate boxer.

 

You're nitpicking a good win. It would've been better at 122, sure. Bungu would've been much more highly regarded if he were a visible American, Mexican, or UK fighter.

 

I'm just surprised it took until the Barrera fight to show how easy it could be to defeat Prince. He was lucky Kevin Kelly wasn't a manny pac type fighter or he'd have been kod in two rounds.

 

Not many would have got the better of hamed in a shootout. He did have serious power for a midget.

 

The only special thing about Hamed was his power.
All the rest, the posing and posturing was immaterial because all those bad habits were always going to be exposed against elite fighters.
Even Kelley who was good but not elite had him in all sorts of trouble.
To be fair his power was unreal, along with Saddler he may just be the hardest hitting feather ever.

 

All I'm doing is introducing the fact that Bungu was proven at 122, not 126

 

I didn't see this damn thread.
NASEEM HAMED WAS PAST PRIME when he faced Barrera. Hamed haters do not want to admit this because they want to feel that Hamed was well and truly defeated.

Hamed for that particular fight had to lose 40lbs in 2 months. He was in the sauna all night for the weigh in. He didn't even train in a meaningful way before the fight.

He became undisciplined even during Ingle era, but after leaving Ingle, it was all downhill. He wasn’t training properly, he was undisciplined. Hamed not training properly with great discipline would affect his style more than others because he did a lot wrong. He actually stopped training properly after the Badillo fight.
He trained himself to go for one shot KO's more and forgoing the style that made him brilliant.
He fell in love with fame, lifestyle, marriage and children. When he had his children, he lost his heart for the sport.
His weird hand problems mounting up over the years were so severe that he had no choice but to retire. Too much power for his hands. Indeed, he went from being a more fluid combination puncher to a one shot finder.

All of these add up to a significant whole. Naseem Hamed ROBBED HIMSELF of the opportunity to see how well a PRIME HAMED would do against a prime Barrera.

 

Except he looked very beatable against Kelley and Sanchez, he didn't train for them right.....

 

This entire post disturbed me greatly......Hamed neither campaigned in such a era and neither fought anyone from that era apart from Barrera who Hamed was a plaything of.

Hamed campaigned during 1994-2000 he came into a very weak division at world level in the mid 1990s.......tom Johnson was the epitomy of a long reigning but weak monarch who had presided over a kingdom still lacking the greats of the 1980s such as Sanchez and Nelson.Hamed beat him and Steve Robinson, Vasquez, and Kelly other non A list 126 pounders....hell these guys weren't even as good as Esparragoza and Mcguigan ..........Morales , barrera and Tapia and Ayala who were all A listers were all fighting at below 126lbs....Marquez was steadfastly avoided by Hamed.........Hamed had also boasted on winning titles at six weights during the mid 90s.....once Mayweather, Corrales, Casamayor, Freitas, and Mosley formed a road block at 130-135.......that idea disappeared..... so where is was this "strongest weight class (126) of his era.????? Kelly,Robinson, Johnson, Sanchez and Bungu don't constitute that.............hell the 122lbs division was stronger...........147 had Trinidad/ODH and Quartey........HW had all the stars.......the reality is.........below HW and the 168 and 147 divisions and the others I mentioned...........boxing didn't have many strong divisions circa 1994-1997 when Hamed was in his heyday...........there were no longer the big 4 of the 1980s...........LM was ruled by a Terry Norris with no competition.....Cruiser was weak as always, MW was relatively weak with only Hopkins......LH was pretty unexceptional with Hill and Maske.........140 had an ageing chavez............

Irrespective Hamed was a front runner who had some good times when the division was still weak and in the doldrums.....after the competition arrived in 2000 he had to fight one of them........barrera beat him but imo so would have Morales and Marquez , as well as other guys like casamayor ,tapia and ayala who would have fought him at 126 .............no hamed neither "campaigned" or competed in a strong 126 era.........he ruled a weak one and fled when it became strong.......

 

I don't think he trained much for Sanchez.

 

Was he the best british featherweight ever?

 

Paulie Ayala wasn't that good. He happened to beat Tapia (barely) and got a series of gifts to keep him from being obsolete.

Tapia also wasn't that good outside of 118. He and Bungu were at a similar level considering they both turned in competitive wins over Romero who was basically Tapia's marquee win.

Hamed was better than them. To me, it's more a question of how he'd do against Morales, Marquez, and Barrera a year or two earlier.

 

hell those last 3 take him to the Turkish bath