Naseem Hamed vs. Ricky Hatton (historically)

Your probably right!

 

Beeston you are a grade A Hatton nuthugger how can you say he wouldn't have been KO'd if he didn't get a point deduction, total nonsense.

He was totally outclassed and almost humiliated by Floyd, the stoppage looked like it was coming from Round 4 onwards.

 

I hope this doesn't sound really callous but that is probably why he kept having car accidents for years.

Too busy admiring himself in the mirror.

 

That just sounds like ohh im losing the argument so ill have a cheap shot :tired

Your supposed to hate Mancs anyway.

 

atsch

He wouldn't have lost the plot and left himself as open as he did - I don't feel Floyd would have stopped him, as he would have continued with his tactics and lost a UD, prob 117-111 or similar.

As for the round four, well Hatton clearly won the fifth beyond question, and was worth a share of the sixth - the first time I felt a stoppage coming was the 8th, which was the best three minutes of boxing I have seen from anyone, the right hand which caused Ricky to hold was absolutely huge.

Not totally outclassed - I would say Calzaghe vs Lacy is totally outclassed, but still Floyd is/was a level above anybody else IMO.

 

Nothing to do with the argument, it was just a joke between two Brits who are in the know about Naz's personality.

I do hate Mancs generally, but not nearly as much as I hate southerners.

 

That point deduction was a Hatton excuse, it is total rubbish, Hatton would never of beaten Floyd on his worst day he was never on that level.

Hatton could have his dad as the referee and he would still be dominated.

 

At least your taste in football is better than your taste in boxing WACCOE!:rofl

 

I agree Hatton would never have beaten Floyd in a boxing match.

Give him a lead pipe or a cricket bat and he might get a Sven Ottke SD or MD!

All I was saying was that Floyd wouldn't have stopped him!

I don't know - Ricky would beat Floyd in a bar brawl.

 

That's debatable as a Leeds fan

Christ we have had the **** end of the stick lately

 

Thats all your own doing..

 

It is :rofl

'We lived the dream' - Peter Ridsdale.

Erm.......

No.

You spent too much money on a load of **** players giving them 5 and 6 year deals which of course has to be honoured. Also failing to spot a transfer market slowdown whilst still spending and holding on to all your best players until the collapse of the market rendered them pretty much worthless in relation to the debt that had been run up.

Rumour has it that to service the interest on the debt and pay it off in good time, the KO stages of the Champions League were a necessity!

 

I posted this post a while ago, so no kicking off that I'm repeating myself, its just that I couldnt be bothered rewording it but think it's pretty relevant here;

"I do a monthly boxing email for a few mates who are trying to get into boxing. This little Naz article is due to go in my April one...

'Prince' Naseem Hamed- the man, the myth, the legend!! Naseem was the most colourful British boxer (and to give him credit - probably the world) between 1995 - 2001. He won titles at Super-Bantamweight and Featherweight. He took the WBC, IBF and held the WBO for quite some time. He kayoed the equally brash Kevin Kelly in one of the fights of the decade in Madison Square Garden and established himself as one of the finest British boxers of his generation overcoming Wayne McCullough and Paul Ingle amongst others. His style was incomparable. Agility he had in abundance, he was lightening quick and he was one of the hardest punching featherweights to have graced the sport, as his record of 36-1(31KO) proves. He put bums on seats for years and thrust British boxing and the featherweight division into the spot light. And for all of this he deserves the highest praise.

But for me it was what Naseem didn’t do that leaves me somewhat disillusioned by his apparent success. Everyone knows that he was schooled by Barrera (7th April 2001 - hence the reason for the Naseem commentary in my April email) but that aside there are too many criticisms of Hamed to class him as anything other than a great British boxer rather than a great boxer. He (intentionally or not) avoided fighting the best in the division until his defeat to Barrera. Wins over Kevin Kelly, Tom Johnson and Medina were good and left him ranked as number one in the weight. But he was beaten by the only genuine world class fighter he stepped in the ring with. At the time the featherweight division was littered with prospects and champions such as; Morales, In-Jin Chi, Johnny Tapia, Paulie Ayala, and to a lesser extent Eduardo Alvarez (probably not as highly rated by most) and Arturo Gatti (who had probably just begun to climb the weights by 2000/2001). Yes he fought and beat Vasquez but the guy was 37 at the time!!

Naseem's career was as up and down as his discipline. After 11 fights he mercilessly battered Belcastro for the European Bantamweight crown. A tremendous achievement for a fighter so young and inexperienced. He went on to stop Steve Robinson within 8 rounds for the WBO Featherweight title, making him Britain's youngest ever world champion at **. After a couple of defences (one of which saw Hamed hit the floor for the first time in his career) Naseem took on Manuel Medina. Although experienced, the ageing Mexican should have been a routine defence for Hamed. However, Naseem's relative inexperience at this level showed. He tried to pick off Medina with single punches. At times he almost jumped into an oncoming jab trying to land a hook of his own. Hamed took some punishment in the fight but was able to retire Medina in his stool at the end of round 10. A chorus of boos greeted the champion from the clearly unimpressed crowd.

Better times were to follow with wins over Johnson for the IBF title and Sotto for the WBC (despite these fights being some more lacklustre performances). A few more mandatory defences came Kevin Kelly. Naseem beat the Yank within 4 rounds. This was an absolute brawl. Here for me lies one of the fundamental flaws of Naseem Hamed. Revert back to my first paragraph… he was like the proverbial sh*t off a shovel, agile as they come and could throw punches from unbelievable angles while being the hardest hitter around at the time. This all went to pot far too often. Against Kelly he reverted back to the Medina performance. Looking to end the fight with one punch. In the end he did knock his man out, but it was far harder work than it should have been. There was also the disgrace of Nas completely ignoring his long term trainer's (Brendan Ingle) instructions in the corner. All this was the backdrop to the Barrera fight. As unbelievable as it seems now, Naseem was favourite on the night. It was believed that Barrera was too easy to hit and Naseem was stronger than his foe. Some critics even suggested that Naseem only took the fight after Barrera was beaten by Morales the year before. Hamed was schooled. In the same way Gatti would never be the same after he fought Mayweather, Hamed would never be the same after Barrera. He returned for one more fight which he won after his defeat to Barrera but he knew what the rest of the world now knew. Hamed had been found out. For all his natural attributes, he did not have the nouse in the ring or the discipline to make it at the top level. And, for one reason or another, he only got one chance to prove he could have been world class and he was beaten. Turns out, he just wasn’t good enough..."

I'll do a Hatton one when I get a bit of time...

 

No doubt. Too many peoples memorys on here are too short.

 

Its evident that Naz affected you and the culture that you're a part of (ie rap etc) but to say that boxing hasnt recovered since he left is a nonsense! Hatton has done more to get northern, football fans into boxing. He is also entertaining enough to bring attention from casual sports fans. Just because he has not had as much of an impact on you or your culture, doesnt mean his impact wasnt as great.

Put it this way - how many fans went over the pond with Naz and how many went with Hatton?

How many football stadiums did Naz fill?

I havent got time to write a Hatton write up like the Naz one above, but I will over the weekend and put it on this thread.