Naseem hammed should have been great

:goodI love this post,too:good.Well put.

 

His ego couldn't handle defeat.

He quit when the going got tough. He didn't say, 'Well, looks like I've got some work to do.' He took his ball home and decided not to play anymore.

That doesn't define greatness, or potential for same, to me. Berrera exposed more than his lack of fundamentals; he exposed Nazsty's lack of mental toughness.

 

Colin McMillan UD Hamed

 

He could have been a lot better. Miles lots better.

Take just a third of the energy he spent on gimmicking, individualism and flamboyance, transfer that into more time spent on learning how to box, and you have the strong posibility of one of the greatest champions, ever. Seriously.

If I'd trained Hamed, I'd knock off a lot of the BS stuff he pulls and teach him the proper way to use the angles with his hands up. Save the crap for the cameras and interviewers and keep the business in the ring. I've never been one for the hands down by the waist approach, chin exposed, coming in with awkward shots from angles that do more damage to yourself if you land the punches wrong. Also foolish because of how wide open you leave your head to counter shots.

His left hand would never drop below his chest. We would establish a comfort zone for the right. Either on the bottom of the chin, at the cheek or above the eye, the right hand would have its protection place. It rarely moves from that spot. He's not a conventional boxer, but I'd have that jab hand up and it would be working, #1. Prince has knockout power so I'd make him attack using more head movement and shoulder rotations moving forward with the jab. He'd step in properly with the double jab, follow with a straight right to the body and finish with the hook on top classic. I'd bust that four punch combo into his head and mix it up as part of his game plan of attack. Everything off that hard jab. Switch it up, counter with the straight right lead, left hook to the head or body and than finish with the double jab coming out. At any time he can break the sequence as long as he's jabbing, staying busy building up points in the rounds to set up his knockout shots.

He would go to the body a lot more too. Early and often. With that power, there's no reason not too. He'd have a much better boxing stance using his feet to maximize that natural power. You'd be surprised how much damage Prince could do and how easy some of his fights could have been had he spent more time on weight transfer in his punches and working on his core and coil in the ring. Prince could probably take some power off his shots and still do the same, if not more damage. The reason being is the punch would be thrown better using his legs properly. He'd throw a lot less awkward shots with his right hand and more proper lead rights when the time called for it. Too many times the guy got hit where he shouldn't have and only had his God given power to save him from disaster. There were moments of disaster too, and in the end it was disastrous at times.

He doesn't have Ali's reflexes to try and use his style in the ring, nor create his own from it, especially without Ali's footspeed. Nobody does, not even RJJr. Roy was close and very fast on his feet moving in any direction though. Prince did have decent speed but I would never consider him fast.

Yes he was very good for his time, sometimes awesome beyond explanation. Believe me, I shook my head in disbelief many times after his fights throughout his whole career.
An all time great but not in the Johnson, Ali, Robinson, Louis company. Could have been though.

 

Yeah. The thing is what ultimately made that single black blotch become a black hole that sucked his whole career was the over protection. If he was thrown to the wolves and dropped a few or realized he wasn't such hot goods as he believed as maybe an amateur or something, he might have had time to pick himself up, start again and seek to improve without any pressure. When he finally found out what a real pro could do, realized that he had to improve, and finally tried to do something about it, the paying bovines he drawn (who didn't give a phat **** about boxing and were there exclusively to watch a clown acting like Jim Carrey knock out chumps) booed him. In a way, at least as his resolve is concerned, his talent might have worked against him. Take Marciano, for example. While he retired undefeated, his skills were put to doubt from the day he started as a pro to his last defense against Archie Moore (by Archie himself). Actually until today. Anyway... His resolve was tested all the time outside and inside the ring, since a lot of his victories were huge ****ing trials were he had to want it even when he couldn't or shouldn't because of his very lack of natural aptitude. In the end, frustration does seem to be a spring for a boxer, even the ones accused of cherry picking like RJJ. I wonder how much that silver medal of his keeps pushing him into the ring even when he has no business in it anymore.

 

Hameds just one in a long line of guys whose gameplan, plan A became just a home run punch. This was evident in the MAB fight.

That works against the Billy Hardys of the world but not against smarter fighters.

Hamed could have been great but he screwed it up. People also seem to forget that MAB changed his style for that fight, before that he was a brawler whod been Kod by Junior Jones, against Hamed he turned counterpuncher and boxed smartly behind a very tight guard.

 

Most of that wouldn't work with Hamed's style, you can't completely reformulate a boxer. Part of his strength was dropping his hands to force and exchange or to draw a counter. His reflexes at his best are good but he overly focused on exchanging at the expense of punch slipping.

He needed to work with someone like Herol Graham and trained harder. He did used to use far more movement and went to the body more earlier in his career. He got complacent by the end

I think Hamed overall has become massively underrated off 1 fight. No one rips Morales skills to shreds for his losses against Barrera and him getting outboxed by Espadas (gift decision) and Raheem, do they? Everyone overrates Morales and disparages Hamed and in most part it's due to personality.

 

Hamed was very good but he fell in love with his power and neglecting his boxing skills.

I don't buy that 'he lacked mental toughness' because he lost interest when he was beaten and retired. That's just what happens sometimes in life. There's more to life than boxing. The guy made millions and lost interest in boxing -that's say nothing about his 'mental toughness' when he was active.

 

^^^ agree!

this is another example of greatness "achievement based", which equals wrong for me...

he should of been great or would of been great, had he beaten Barrera or just one or two more victories. WRONG!!!

fighters are Great or excellent or very good end of... and that is determined during their prime top years win or lose.

There are lots of Greats, plain & simple. Hamed was not one of them.

Very good is where I place him.

 

Hamed earnt millions, Hamed was huge, dare i say it, Hamed was bigger than Mayweather.

Hamed had sponsorship deals with PlayStation, Addidas, he was doing commericals, walking to the ring with P Shitty (sorry P Diddy). Hamed was ****ing huge in the 90s.

 

Dude, that's popular not great.

 

Actually i think you're forgetting that Barrera began changing his style after his defeats to Junior Jones...In his fight before Hamed, against Jesus Salud, Barrera was showing plenty of Boxing skills...Even had Stewart concerned after watching that performance.

 

If he'd had it in him, it would have happened.

 

**** off with that bull****, he was in his best shape possible, thats not why he lost... he lost because he fell in love with his power in the years leading up to the Barrera fight & practically ignored the thing that got him were he was, his reflexes.

The only other excuse or reason Naz could have tried to make was that it was his longest inactivity between fights heading into the Barrera fight but thats reaching still... he definitely 100% trained as hard as he could, he just wasn`t good enough to beat a peak Barrera at that stage of his career (maybe not any stage, thats another debate tho.)

Ps. I dislike Barrera & I like Naz a lot... but I`ve got to call it what it is.

 

Agree with Bill.Heard he trained like hell for Barrera,but somehow I dont believe he thought he could win.The cockiness had gone.Barrera carried on after the Jones defeat,Naz packed in after the Spaniard.One was a hungry fighter,the other was not.If theyd fought another 4 times,at any time in their careers,my money would always be on Marco.