Nate Campbell doesn't deserve a No Contest....

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  1. nezy37

    nezy37 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Its up to the fighter really, the doc can stop it but if a fighter says he can't see thats that.
     
  2. Bodysnatcher

    Bodysnatcher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  3. PirateGorilla

    PirateGorilla Active Member Full Member

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    Obviously they'd rather be blind than called a quitter.
     
  4. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    Yes... if the fighter says that he can't see, then the fight will obviously be stopped. That doesn't mean that they have to rule that he can't see due to the headbutt. That also doesn't mean that they have to rule it a no contest. The doctor was pretty clear in the corner stating that the cut wasn't enough for him to stop the fight.

    So... you can't just chalk it up as a stoppage on cuts.


    There are two factors working against Campbell here.

    1. The ref saw no blood directly after the headbutt, and ruled that the cut was caused by the right uppercut that followed afterwards. Which is perfectly acceptable due to the fact that no blood came down, and Campbell didn't paw at his eye until after the uppercut which followed the clash of heads.

    2. The Doctor was NOT going to stop the fight because of the cut. So... by Campbell basically quitting in his corner, they do NOT have to rule it a no contest just because he was cut. Seeing spots doesn't mean that it has to be directly related to that cut. Any one of those punches could have caused a hemorrhage which effected his vision. Because he clearly didn't have blood flowing into his eye during the post fight interview where he was still saying that he was seeing spots.

    So... EVEN IF HE WAS still seeing spots. There is no way for Campbell to prove that is directly related to the cut. (which was ruled from a punch anyways)
     
  5. nezy37

    nezy37 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Im not disagreeing with you.

    I think what bothers me is the ref wasn't decisive, he didn't make a call right away and he just kind of stood there looking dumb. If you miss it you miss it, but miss it like you mean it if you know what I mean.
     
  6. unclepaulie

    unclepaulie Run like an antelope! Full Member

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    Not making the call kinda was his call though; he was saying, by not calling a headbutt, that one didn't happen. Sticking with the call was the absolute right thing to do.
     
  7. WiDDoW_MaKeR

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    First... the ref doesn't have make the call right away. They go over after the round and make their call to the officials. Also... he ruled it a punch, so in his mind... no action really needed to be taken.

    Even when caused by a headbutt unless it is just an awful gash, intentional headbutt and/or both fighters simply stop fighting and hold their heads... the ref usually just waits until the end of the round to go over to the side and give his ruling on the headbutt. How many times have you heard this during a fight "It will be interesting to see how [Insert ref's name] will rule on this cut"? That's because we usually don't know right away.
     
  8. nezy37

    nezy37 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah, but usually you'll hear a guy specify that the cut was caused by a punch, especially in this kind of situation where it was in question.
     
  9. nezy37

    nezy37 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No I know, I don't think he did anything right away after the round. I don't know, maybe he did and we didn't see it. Either way the guy should have taken charge of the situation at the very least. He should have made it clear what call he was making, he didn't. As a result he comes off looking like he didn't know, which, I don't think he did, thats my point.
     
  10. unclepaulie

    unclepaulie Run like an antelope! Full Member

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    Right, but... you don't assume the double play and if the ref doesn't specifically rule a cut due to a headbutt, right or wrong, it isn't a headbutt. No reason to assume that just because the ref (who didn't do the best job ever, but damn sure didn't do as bad a job as a lot of people round here are saying) didn't rule a cut specifically as coming from a headbutt that it was from one.

    I mean, was this guy Frank Cappucino or Arthur Mercante? No, but he made his rulings and stuck with them. Credit is due, and I find it kinda disheartening that no one is giving it.
     
  11. nezy37

    nezy37 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm not shitting on the guy for missing it. It happens, I guess I'm nit picking but I don't have anything better to do:lol:
     
  12. unclepaulie

    unclepaulie Run like an antelope! Full Member

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    Same here. I did manage to pick up a Victor Martinez bobblehead at the Indians game tonight... He's not wearing a Red Sox uniform, but hey... Why not?

    http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/10828
     
  13. Barber-ian

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    You're right that I'm correct. Everything you say afterward is populist drivel based on nothing but your frustration.
     
  14. nezy37

    nezy37 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :lol:

    damn that sucks. They should have been decent this year, kinda like last year too. Then they suck and offload all their tallent. Thanks for CC man, I will always have a special place in my heart for Cleveland. At least you still have Seizmore.

    what do you suppose they will do with him? Varatitek has to catch, DH I suppose and sit Papi down.
     
  15. unclepaulie

    unclepaulie Run like an antelope! Full Member

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    Victor is valuable as a switch hitter and puts up good numbers. Convert him to 1st base/outfield and let Varitek do his thing, I suppose.

    Inre: Indians should have been decent? Yeah. Sounds familiar.At the beginning of the year I thought Wedge was the main factor, but now, well, I kinda feel for the guy... how do you work with that kind of front office?