Nate Campbell doesn't deserve a No Contest....

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  1. eze

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    The doctor reported Nate Campbell had blood behind his eye.

    Which means, Campbell either had retina damage or a vitreous hemorrhage or both.

    A vitreous hemorrhage occurs when retinal blood vessels rupture and bleed into the vitreous humor. These hemorrhages result from leakage from abnormal, weak blood vessels and are associated with diabetic retinopathy, trauma and other factors. The immediate consequence of a vitreous hemorrhage is a reduction in the amount of light that can pass through the normally clear vitreous humor to the retina. The effects of a hemorrhage can be limited to a few dark spots in vision or, in the case of a severe vitreous hemorrhage, can result in completely obscured vision. Depending on the severity of the vitreous hemorrhage, it may take several months or significantly longer for the body to reabsorb the blood and for the patient to regain vision. In addition to obstructing the patient's vision, a vitreous hemorrhage often prevents physicians from seeing into the back of the eye to diagnose or treat the cause of the hemorrhage. If extensive or repeated bleeding occurs, fibrous tissue or scarring can form on the retina, which can lead to a detachment of the retina and permanent vision loss or blindness.


    This fight was over even if Campbell said he was fine.
     
  2. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    Everything that was just said there proves my point. Nobody can prove any correlation with the cut, and the injury to the eye. Any landed punch could have injured the eye in that manner as well.

    However, the fight would NOT have been stopped of Campbell said he was fine. The Doctor nor the ref was going to stop the fight. The doctor gave his diagnoses based on Campbell's assertions. I do not blame him for quitting though, if he does have that sort of injury.
     
  3. eze

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    From what I've read when the doctor saw the blood behind the eye it wasn't going to have mattered but Nate said he couldn't see first and that's what prompted the quitting.

    I don't think Nate would have quit if it was just the cut. There's too much risk involved with that type of injury.
     
  4. Tito Time

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    :good
     
  5. war4years

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    Well, Nate was the one who wanted to stop it, but he was also the one looking through that busted eye. Let's see what the reports are from the docs about his eye. I thought that supposedly there was bleeding behind the eye, so this sounds worse than a typical superficial cut.

    It's true he was getting beaten, but it was still early, and Nate has fight changing power, so who knows what would have happened.

    I agree with those who say the fight should have been a no contest, and there should be a rematch.
     
  6. spiderricco

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    It looks like the no contest rule will need to be changed so fighters like Campbell and Rachman will not be rewarded for quitting.Maybe if they go to the scorecards after only one round fighters will stop trying to abuse the system.
     
  7. war4years

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    Regarding the uppercut causing the cut/damage:

    Let's get real here guys. Give me a ****in' break. Bradley's head slammed into Campbell's eye hard as hell.

    You're telling me that weak ass uppercut he landed after caused the damage and the headbutt just didn't do ****, huh?

    Folks Widdowmaker is great at arguing, but don't let that change what you saw with your eyes.
     
  8. standing 8countboxing

    standing 8countboxing Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It's all been said at this point, but the cut clearly came from a headbutt, I think it should be a NC, but I do agree it worked out well in Campbell's favor. To say he deserves it or not is one thing, but if we are going by the rules of boxing, then it's a nc
     
  9. RJJ4Life

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    come on!! The fight has to be a no contest. Now whether they rematch or not, that's up to Bradley and his people, but Nate doesn't deserve a knockout loss.

    I had him losing the first 3 rounds, the first 2 were close and the cut made the 3rd one easy for Timmy.

    How many times has a fighter came out strong like Bradley, then been stopped or beaten later.

    Remember Jermaine Taylor vs Karl Froch? Pacquiao vs Marquez 1?

    A veteran puncher like Nate could've made adjustments and/or had that puncher's chance to put Bradley down. Remember, Kendall Holt knocked Tim down 2x and he's not known as a hard puncher
     
  10. WiDDoW_MaKeR

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    To answer both of your posts...

    I never said that the uppercut caused the cut. I think that the headbutt did it. However, as the ref is watching the fight in regular speed... live... I said that it is understandable that he had to go with the last thing that he saw. Which was the right uppercut to the eye.

    However... like I have said a million times. The fight wasn't stopped on the cut, so it doesn't even matter. The fight doesn't have to be ruled a No Contest because of a headbutt causing a cut... when the Doctor didn't consider the cut bad enough to stop the fight. The fight is stopped by Campbell's claims of seeing spots... which can't just be clumped together and considered also a result of the headbutt. Any landed punch could have caused a hemorrhage in/around the eye to cause those symptoms. Bradley was teeing of on him a good bit in that round. Campbell's complaints is what forced the doctor to stop the fight even after the Doctor told him that it wasn't the cut. Therefor... the fight is a TKO victory.

    I would watch a rematch, but I don't see a real need for one. It's rather obvious that Bradley is going to win again.
     
  11. Rumsfeld

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    But Vitali's cut was caused by a headbutt, right?

    ;)
     
  12. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    Of course.:D
     
  13. Little Pea

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    Exactly. How can we judge that??

    Headbutt. No contest.
     
  14. Little Pea

    Little Pea 'A' grade boxing fan Full Member

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    I dont know about your last sentence but the rest completely justify a NC.
     
  15. WiDDoW_MaKeR

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    How? How can it be proven that his eye injury (which isn't even confirmed)... was caused by the headbutt? The eye injury has NOTHING to do with the cut that was caused by the headbutt.

    There is no way to prove that the eye injury which caused Campbell to claim he saw spots was caused by the headbutt.