Nate Tubbs vs Corrie Sanders - What happened? (Video)

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  1. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Haven't seen this odd bout discussed anytime recently.

    What exactly happened for Sanders in this match up? Supposedly one of the fastest and most naturally skilled athletes at heavyweight in the past 30 some odd years. A southpaw to boot. Was this a case of sometimes at heavyweight, with fighters this size, guys simply get knocked out?

    Logical enough. Does it mean Sanders didn't possess a good chin, or was Nate Tubbs perhaps an underrated fighter who simply landed a great shot? Was his durability questionable because of this bout, or did he prove himself in later bouts to dismiss any notions of a weak chin?

    It's something of a hard fight to excuse for Sanders, who was 5 years into his career at this point, 28 years old with 23 fights. Tubbs was 29 and had half the professional bouts as Sanders.

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  2. Russell

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    Does Sander's have the same perceived durability "issues" as Lennox Lewis, who was also twice knocked out in a similar manner from single punches?
     
  3. Dubblechin

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    It just means that Wlad Klitschko lost to a couple of pretty ordinary guys.

    Half of Corrie's knockout wins came against cruiserweights who'd moved up. The heavyweights - except Wlad - he knocked out weren't very good.

    It would be like if Johann Duhaupas fought Wlad and knocked him out in two. Duhaupas (head to head) is probably better than Sanders was. Sanders just scored that one shocking win. Otherwise, there wasn't a whole lot to mention in his career.

    Other than Wlad, Sanders' best win might be Bert Cooper (who was also a former cruiserweight).

    But he beat Wlad. So you can't take that away from him. But Wlad would occasionally lose to people who weren't all that good.

    Corrie Sanders is one of those people.
     
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  4. Dubblechin

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    Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman, who stopped Lennox, had several significant wins over top heavyweights.

    Other than this win, Nate Tubbs was famous for being Tony Tubbs' brother. And that's about it.
     
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  5. Russell

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    Do you think Sanders is a dangerous fighter, or just a lucky one?
     
  6. Dubblechin

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    As I said about a week ago, he was dangerous to former cruiserweights ... and Wlad.

    Journeymen heavyweights like Steve Zouski, Mike Rouse, Mike Dixon and Mike Evans didn't have any problems going the distance with him.

    The Wlad fight made him, of course. Otherwise, he'd probably be forgotten today except in South Africa.

    I didn't consider his win over Wlad "lucky." He straight up won. But he never did that to any other top heavyweight ever. Just that one time. And I wouldn't pick him to do it to anyone else.

    He did have his "on any given night," though.
     
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  7. HerolGee

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    tubbs much better, thats all.

    regarding wlad, the only luck involved was ther massive luck needed to be gifted a title shot when retired and not in line for contention at all. Not really luck , just the habits of people like wlad shyting on the hw title.
     
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  8. BCS8

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    What happened is simple: he got caught. Sanders sometimes didn't pay enough attention and could get clipped with punches he didn't see. You can see he's sort of stunned for a second and then Nate clips him with a big one that crumples him up. The same thing happened in his fight against Jorge Valdes, except in reverse. In that one Sanders caught Valdes with a shot and Valdes sort of stands there looking blank for a second and gets put away.

    It happens. Tubbs was a big man and a big puncher (14/18 of his wins by KO) so I'm not surprised that if a fighter lets him essentially land a free shot he's going to get smeared. Sanders was easily outboxing Tubbs to that point. What he should have done was got the rematch and the stoppage.
     
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    You never watched the fights did you? :rolleyes: Rouse was up and down like a yoyo, Dixon was down and Evans was beaten from pillar to post. And this was a green version of Corrie.

    Dont take my word:

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    Nobody (Holyfield, Tyson, Lewis etc) was really interested in fighting him until he was old ;)
     
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  10. HerolGee

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    they didnt fight him when he was old.

    u actually mean wlad n vits. they DID. swtop trying to reverse the truth.
     
  11. BCS8

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    uh duh ubuh uh uhhhh.....

    u fail
     
  12. HerolGee

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    u do.
     
  13. Big Ukrainian

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    I disagree with Dubblechin that he wasn't dangerous. Sanders KTFO'd Billups in 1, yes the same Billups who went full 10 rounds with 27 y.o. Lennox Lewis.

    Sanders KO'd Al Cole in 1, when Cole gave tough fights to Michael Grant and Kirk Johnson.
    Rahman barely decisioned much worse version of Al Cole 6 years later.

    Sanders was hard-hitting and fast, that made him dangerous.
     
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  14. Dubblechin

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    I've watched all those fights. I also watched others destroy those guys much easier.

    And Holyfield and Tyson and Lewis didn't have any interest in fighting Corrie because Corrie Sanders wasn't a factor in the division when they were on top.

    He was just a guy. The boxing world wasn't focused on freaking South Africa in the late 80s and 90s. In the latter half of the 90s, Cedric Kushner brought Sanders limited exposure against primarily name cruiserweights who'd moved up.

    He had one showcase on HBO where he was knocked out.

    Nobody gave a damn about Sanders any more than they cared about Kushner's other "Heavyweight Explosion" guys like Obed Sullivan. Did Holyfield and Tyson and Lewis duck Obed Sullivan, too? Jesus.

    He was just "a guy."

    Sanders scored a freak win over Wlad. Nobody saw it coming because Sanders showed nothing in his career that would lead anyone to believe he could do it.

    And he never did anything like that again.

    The boxing equivalent of a one-hit wonder.
     
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  15. Dubblechin

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    Al Cole was a cruiserweight who was 50 pounds over his best weight. Levi Billups was as "journeymany" as Journeymen get. He was the size of a fat Canelo.

    Yes, Sanders looked good against former cruiserweights and light heavyweights and some middleweights. Those were were his best wins came from. (Bobby Czyz ... solid win. Bert Cooper ... solid win.)

    As I said before, it would be like if Johann Duhaupas shockingly stopped Wlad in two. Sanders was just another random heavyweight in that Heavyweight Explosion second tier who got a one shock win.

    Sanders wasn't "the fastest this" or the "most power punching that." Nobody was "avoiding" him because he was on nobody's radar.

    Wlad lost to some ordinary guys occasionally, and Sanders was one of those ordinary guys.

    Courage Tshabalala was the South African heavyweight being pushed in the U.S. in the mid 90s. It wasn't Corrie Sanders.
     
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