NBA, NYSAC and Jack Dempsey

I agree, it was regional even if they didn't admit it. That was the state of everyone though. NYSAC was regional and admitted they were just more successful. That said, "While the BBBC wasn't a strictly regional organization by the time it was founded in 1929 it might as well have been." is perfect. Yes sir, hard agree

That said, as you rightly pointed out the BBBoC doesn't exist yet and there is only the NSC. The BBBoC, as far as I know, was sub to the IBU. The NSC was not, it was more of a private club so regional and exclusive.



One IBU/Johnson/Langford, I could be wrong but as I have it:

The NSC crowned Sam in 09 after he beat Hague

May of 13 The IBU crowned Sam LHW champion

November 1913, the International Boxing Union met in Paris and voted to withdraw recognition of Johnson as world champion for refusing Sam

December 19 1913 the IBU reinstates JJ following the Jim Johnson draw.

December 20 1913 Sam Langford beats Joe Jeanette for the French Boxing Federation's world title. FFB was a member of the IBU, a founding member. Still sub to the EBU.

 

This is not untrue. Sadly, there's a lot more interplay than fans like to admit. ... Despite Turki and Saudi not hiding their intentions with boxing even a little bit fans struggle to admit their champions were placed into position by governments.

 

Yeah everything was regional. The NYSAC is part of the New York State government not even a national body. Today regional bodys are the 2nd tier of the pyramid behind the world sanctioning bodies but back then that pyramid didn't exist. Like you say the NBA turned into the WBA was the NBA ascending to a "world".

"The BBBoC, as far as I know, was sub to the IBU." I agree. Theres the boxing side though and the political power side. On the boxing side the IBU had more success on the political side they were equals. The British were also were there first so the IBU didn't have the advantage on day 1 it took time to establish it. British boxings structure was originally not just for the British but the whole British empire with this only gradually becoming mostly the UK. Before WW1 Australiasians and Canadians were boxing powers while the Europeans were just setting up shop then had WW1.

Didn't the NSC run the Commonwealth belt? The BBBC certainly had control of it by the time they formed a seperate organization for it.

They might have had Johnson at first but they put Langford back after Jeanette. They reinstated Johnson well before the Jim Johnson fight not because of it. As you mentioned Johnson v Johnson and Langford v Jeanette both happened in Paris on back to back days and were sort of competing events. They might have been trying to get Johnson to fight Langford instead. France at this point dominated the IBU the other founding member was Belgium and it was founded in Paris.

In May 1913 the IBU actually crowned Langford as Light Heavyweight champion despite him not fighting at the weight class anymore and being almost 200 pounds. This is one of the more peculiar decisions a sanctioning body has made. I thought it was a typo on some source but I kept finding that nugget in other places. Langford won the LHW lineal title in his only fight at LHW back in 1911 so they might have been using Langford as a place to start.