New Earnie Shavers Highlight

Yes he was. There's a great picture of him staring at the clock too, but I haven't been able to find it.

 

My understanding has always been that Paulino got to his feet to beat the count, and that Donovan waved it off then, so that there was no resumption of action after the knockdown.

TGA's youtube footage seems to contradict this though. At 6:37, we suddenly see Uzcudun down across the ropes while Donovan walks across the ring to pick up the knockdown seconds from the ringside counter as Joe waits in his own corner (we can see that tolling hand slapping the canvas).

The Basque gets to his feet, then takes four steps towards Joe as action resumes. Louis knocks him back towards the ropes with a big right hand, then action continues for a second or two before Donovan rushes in between them near Paulino's corner.

Louis turns and walks across the ring over to his corner, where his seconds set his stool for him, while Uzcudun brushes by Donovan's restraining right arm in hot pursuit of Joe, causing Louis to turn around with his right hand on top of the turnbuckle and face Paulino before he has a chance to take a seat (probably in disbelief). The film cuts off with both referee Donovan and Uzcudun's chief second chasing after Paulino before he reaches Joe. The conclusion indicated by the Uzcudun footage seems a precursor of how Louis-Godoy II would end, with Arturo trying to continue the battle in a filling ring.

While we do not see the actual knockdown punch, what is shockingly indicated by the film is that the hardest single blow of Joe's career (and also the hardest punch Arthur Donovan claimed to have witnessed) was not the final punch of the fight! This is astounding.

 

How Holmes got up from the Shavers knockdown only the gods know.

 

Its hazy / iffy at best............ It was worth the money..... Yeah, about 20 bucks........

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I've felt that Uzcudun may have a top ten all time HW chin considering some of the comp he fought. On top of the statements regarding him absorbing the hardest shots and the single best punch of the most effective HW puncher of all time.

He also went 37 rounds with Schmeling and fought one of the final 20 rounders with Max Baer, months after Baer had killed a man.

Thoughts on him having one of the better chins of all time up at heavy, Lobotomy?

 

His reputation at the time was that he had the best chin of the late 1920s and early 1930s, impressive when you consider that the chins of Max Baer and Tony Galento were also in the mix at the time, and that gloves were typically six ounces. Paulino took the best that Wills, Baer and Schmeling could dish out, and rating him as a top ten heavyweight chin is perfectly reasonable. [Hmmm....Chuvalo, Galento, Jeffries, Ali, Foreman, Jimmy Young (only dropped by Shavers), McCall, Mercer, Uzcudun, Holmes (just for getting up from Earnie's best shot), feel free to delete and add other names as you see fit.]

 

Galento was sparked out by a 40 something Dempsey wearing 16 oz gloves if I'm remembering that story correctly. Nor did he take a very advanced Baer's punches nearly, nor Louis' shots as well as Uzcudun so I feel he automatically ends up several notches below him.

I feel Ali's chin was a A as opposed to a A+... More demi-god willpower then sheer iron jaw, along with superhuman reflexes that allowed him to not be hit flush by many of the shots that did connect on his chin.

He was put on ***** street several times by Frazier and on the canvas a few times throughout his career as well. The Cooper knockdown has been discussed to death so I won't go there.

He certainly didn't weather the shots of Earnie Shavers as well as Tex Cobb, and he doesn't have the resume roided up power punchers faced (Whom all landed absolutely flush, zero head movement on the receivers end) of comeback Foreman.

 

Must find! :scaredas:

 

And when earnie fought him Ali was pretty old for a fighter and clearly wasn't as mobile as he'd like to be. To come back like that at the end of the fight like he did was amazing. he threw a continuous flurry and given a few more minutes he would have knocked out earnie.
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I agree its amazing, I just don't find Tex Cobb faster with better head movement then a faded Ali.

 

And I'm embarrassed to have overlooked Cobb.

This is a thoughtful and discriminating analysis you've offered up.

As I stated in my previous post, please feel free to delete and add names as you see fit!

 

Hey, just my two cents. Remember, pennies take more to make then they're worth. :bbb

 

fantastic montage. quite a few that i havent seen before. That Monzon was some pup.

 

3 KDs which he was up at the count of 3, and 2 dubious KDS which again he was up at right away, in 20yrs of boxing,14 of which at the highest level and against some of the most murderous punchers in history, suggests to me Alis chin was exemplary

 

It is MY opinion that Ali's LAST supreme ring effort was his '77 win over Ernesto Shavers at MSG........... The overall fight was good and crowd pleasing...... The decision rendered raised a few eyebrows, but so what...... I had Ali ahead.......

Ali's two '78 fights with Leon Stinks stunk bad........ # 2 was historical, but so boring..... YAWN!

MR.BILL