New Mayweather Link

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by bigmann, Oct 3, 2009.


  1. nipplefloss

    nipplefloss Boxing Addict Full Member

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    At this stage in his career Shane is too limited to really trouble Floyd. He's still fast and has good power, but as Cotto showed he is susceptible to being outboxed by someone who can time him and counter. Floyd is quicker than Cotto and has better instincts as a counterpuncher. I see this as a fight where Shane expends a lot of energy hitting gloves and elbows and air while he eats counter rights and left hooks all night.

    Shane's defense is porous at best, and he relys on offense and a good chin to win fights. Against a fighter he can't get out of there with his power he's very susceptible to being outboxed over 12 rounds. And Floyd showed in the Marquez fight that he can still jab very well when he wants to, something else that will trouble Shane and throw off his pressure.

    I personally see the Cotto/Pac winner as a better option for Floyd, both as a meaningful fight (both are young and closer to their prime than Shane and will have accomplished more recently) and as a fight that will draw big numbers. I expect Mayweather to fight Mosely AFTER he fights the winner of that fight since, at that point, he won't have any other money making options.

    Until that happens Shane needs to get in the ring, shake off the rust, and prove the Margarito win wasn't just a case of lucky matchmaking.
     
  2. nipplefloss

    nipplefloss Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Quite possibly. Which makes it all the more puzzling that he didn't take the fight against a promising up and comer who was generating a lot of buzz at 130.

    But perhaps it's true that Shane couldn't make the weight anymore. My point was simply that the previous poster was completely wrong in stating that Floyd had only been boxing for a year and was still green.
     
  3. jso416

    jso416 F U Nutthuggers!!! Full Member

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    Shane Mosley has the speed to attack Floyd and make him fight, plus the power to seriously hurt Floyd. Miguel Cotto would be an easy night of pot shots for Floyd in my opinion, Cotto is a hell of a puncher but he doesn't have the foot or handspeed to get to Mayweather like Shane does. As for Pac, everybody knows a counter puncher is his worst enemy. Mosley or Paul Williams are the most dangerous fights for Floyd becuase both men have excellent handspeed wich is a must to have any chance at beating a defensive wizard like Mayweather.
     
  4. nipplefloss

    nipplefloss Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Williams is a harder fight due to his physical advantages and workrate. Like I said, Cotto outboxed Mosely with movement, counterpunching, and timing. Floyd does all three of those things better than Cotto. Mosely has good handspeed in combination, meaning he puts punches together well, but he does not have fantastic step off speed...meaning he is not great at being the first to initiate, which is why Cotto could give him fits.

    The only fighter that really troubled Floyd with his handspeed was Judah because he was literally beating Mayweather to the punch. He was catching Mayweather before he went into defensive mode. Mosely doesn't have the appropriate timing or speed of initiation to do that these days. Mayweather would beat him to the punch all night.

    And yes, Mosely hits hard, but he's still not a one punch KO artist. He still has to break guys down. In my opinion he won't put enough leather on Mayweather to break him down. Hell, he hit Cotto flush in most every round of their fight and never put him down once. Floyd will be much harder to hit.

    I simply see Cotto or Pac (IF...and this is a big IF...he gets by Cotto and proves he belongs at WW) as more interesting and fresher fights. Ideally I'd like to see all three happen. But Cotto is a smarter boxer than Shane, is more versatile, and has a good jab, excellent timing, and the ability to slow guys down with body work...I don't think he'd beat Floyd, but I think he would make a good fight of it.
     
  5. Concrete

    Concrete Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Both videos state only opinion not facts. Especially the part about winning a close title fight at 130. Mayweather dominated Hernandez so bad that you could see Hernandez fight Mayweather in like 4 different styles trying to find an answer yet getting beat up in every style. Only to have his corner throw in the towel because there was no hope.

    Watch for yourself

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU5eQThEwJI

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5v2aqYIsNA

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjPAk0M-F9Q

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw1umvAE5ic
     
  6. Concrete

    Concrete Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't think its about ducking though so I agree with that.

    In 1999 Mosley didn't have much to gain from fighting Mayweather. If he would have beat Mayweather then he was supposed to beat Mayweather because he was the smaller guy. If he were to lose to Mayweather then Mayweather would have taken his payday vs DLH.

    The way Mayweather sees it, Mosley never wanted to fight him when it would help Mayweather's career. If he would have fought Mosley in 1999 then Mayweather's career would have been propelled. If he would have fought Mayweather in 2006 then Mayweather status would have been propelled even higher for fighting both Mosley and DLH in the same yr.

    So in Mayweathers line of thinking Mosley didn't want to fight him when it would have helped his career. So why should he help Mosley's career now that he is on the outside looking in. Mayweather doesn't need Mosley as he has Cotto or Pacman. But if he can't strike deals with either of them then he may fight Mosley out of necessity. But he isn't looking to do Mosley any favors at this point.
     
  7. sdsfinest22

    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

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    Neither man has not ducked each other BUT MOSLEY IS KICKING HIMSELF NOW 4 NOT TAKIN THE FIGHT WHEN HE HAD THE CHANCE....NOW ITS FUNNY HOW HE IS ON HIS KNEES BEGGING FOR THE FIGHT