New pound for pound top 25

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Fair enough.

 

Maybe lets just keep all the belts in the hands of the fighters who are champions and are fighting on their territory with a foreigner?

Boxing isn't about mindless going forward and Dirrell proved that when he fought Froch. Maybe most Brit's (or most of the ppl) are bloodlust and want to see a brawl in which fighters like Froch feel like in home, I don't know. Dirrell was faster, sharper and more clever than Carl. All that Froch's comments that Dirrell was running were pathetic. But I suppose that he just had to find an excuse to cover his unability to catch AD.

 

Why is Ivan Calderon never on anyone's top ten list?

 

Casamayor was considered P4P? Most people thought he lost comfortably to Santa Cruz. And Diaz had lost last time out to Campbell. But you're running into problems again, because you want to call him P4P quality when he beat Katsidis, but when Malignaggi beats Diaz a year later that is Malignaggi on a downslide and hence Khan's domination of him means nothing. Doesn't add up.

Even if we give Katsidis maximum kudos for losing to Casamayor and Diaz who both should have been coming off loses, you are then basing his P4P rating on beating Ramirez (complete nobody, lost to Graham Earl), Jesus Chavez (shot super featherweight), Escebdeo (not much record to go on) and Mitchell (not tested abive British level and that was a weight lower).

Yes. You? I'm not sure what you mean by 'even the Germans'. The fight was between two German-based Universum fighters, why would 'the Germans' be fussed one way or the other. Unbiased observers almost universally considered it a close fight that could legitimately be scored to either man.

 

Also most ppl consider him winner in fights that he grabed L. Freitas, Corrales (2nd fight in 3rd Chico was over the 135 limit and got a gift point advantage after questionable KD), Castillo (!) and Campbell wasn't robbed - it was close fight. That is quite a lot controversy against very good fighters. I think that you'll agree with me.

No doubt that Santa Cruz was better that particular night than Casamayor though.

Casa was hell of a fighter, fighting with the best through his career and giving a lot from himself and for the boxing fans. He has history of weaker performances no doubt, but he was a great fighter in my opinion.

Katsidis didn't made Casamayor a p4p, he still had good impresion after fights with Corrales (x 3), Campbell and Castillo. As for Diaz, he was clearly not the same fighter after wars with JMM, Katsidis and Campbell - don't know if he'll ever be, but I wish him the best. So in my eyes, sadly both Diaz and Magic are on a "downslide" as you called it.

I think that I rate those wars with Diaz and Casa and win over Mitchell in London a little bit higher than you.

Just can't agree with you that it could go either way. Kotelnik is game and tough but he wasn't better that night. Maidana threw about 1200 punches (!) and battered Kotelnik badly. Here is a report from the fight, you can naturally find another which saw the fight closer, but in my opinion this one is right: "Maidana by at least 2 rounds". And sometimes even Germans (those on the crowd) shake their heads when they hear the final score (Valuev-Holyfield for example).

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2009/02/kotelnik-defeats-maidana-in-a-war/

 

How the **** is Williams so high on your list

 

Jay23 is probably gay.

 

You don't get points for throwing punches if they don't land.

That report is pretty ****, as you say there are other much better written more unbiased reports available. The author seems to think Kotelnik was the hometown fighter and got the benefit of a racous crowd. Actually it was an undercard fight between two German-based fighters, both on the same promotion and the crowd (as usual in Germany) were pretty quiet throughout.

Still not sure you are are again saying 'even Germans' when the Germans weren't particularly bothered and then cite another fight as 'evidence' (Valuev v Holyfield) that wasn't in Germany?!

 

The problem is that you can't get elevated to a high P4P ranking solely by losing, in however entertaining a fashion.

And Mitchell is the only one of those three fights you mentioned where Katsidis actually won. So tell me about your high opinion of Kevin Mitchell? Do you disagree with my opinion that he has never really been tested above British level. He outboxed Prescott, which is not exactly hard. What did you think of his fight with Johannsen for the British superfeatherweight title? Is that a basis for a high world ranking at lightweight?

 

Where the **** did that pile of **** come from Marquez , Hopkins and Mosley all still top 10 ? Marquez at 3 for ****s sake ?


is this a list for 2001 that you just carried over ?

 

Too much super 6 in there.

 

What a shite list. :hi:

 

Depends on how much weight you put on him losing to Mayweather at WW I guess.

Marquez was consensus P4P top three before that fight. And the fight also went exactly how most people expected it to. It's not obvious then that his ranking would be greatly affected by that.

 

Well, you can always post another recap I will be happy to read it. I follow German boxing scene for some time a while and I know that many boxers outside Germany and fighting for German promoter or having German citizenship are treated like hometown boys or even like media heroes (Michalczewski, Klitschko's, Huck etc.). Still I don't get it how anyone could give it to Kotelnik. He was badly beaten, bloodied and hurt. Respect for him for showing heart and guts, but he was outpowered by Maidana. My bad, Valuev-Holy was in Switzerland, but I still can't forget the crowd (and ine) reaction when the scorecards were announced.
You're right that the most important in boxing are punches but landed, but also those which hit arms, shoulders, elbows, hips etc. are very important. They can really hurt, slow down and brake your opponent. Maidana's punch output was insane and he landed often and hard on Kotelnik and this is without any doubt. Just lok at Andriy's face after the bout.