New Ring Magazine P4P List 8/8/07

hatton beat a much better fighter in castillo compared to cotto beating judah who lost to baldo. hatton is rightfully above cotto.

 

I don't see Cotto in there personally. Especially not over Hatton. There is no Kostya Tszyu on Cotto's resume.

 

What is your list? What do you think about Wright being excessively high and then JMM being top 3, which others have expressed opposition to those rankings?

What about Hatton replacing Wright at #6?

 

yep. hatton has already defeated 2 elite fighters. the same can't be said about cotto.

 

Wright is no longer on my list, and JMM is in the middle. But my list is different than many, always has been because I ALWAYS rate Calderon and will until someone beats him.

1. PBF
2. Pacquiao
3. Calzaghe
4. Taylor
5. JMM
6. Vasquez
tie. Hatton
8. R Marquez
9. Calderon
10. Hopkins (no, I don't give him a ton of credit for beating up a guy who jumped 2 weight classes to fight him)

 

Lets have a look at the Hopkins, Taylor, Wright triangle

4th Hopkins 1-2-0
6th Wright 0-1-1
11th Taylor 2-1-0


Lets also examine some more RING logic

Hopkins vs Wright
42 year old vs 35 year old in a competetive fight - do you put them both high or both low


The laughably low placement of Joe Calzaghe at 8 is just an attempt to undermine my efforts to educate internet boxing fans

Their habit of placing any two known fighters who have a close fight or series of fights both above a legend like Joe Calzaghe must stop

 

That's an awesome, well thought out List.:good

I will say though that Calzaghe has not yet earned a top 5 spot, but that it's coming in November. I think you regard Calzaghe even higher than I do on terms of current legacy, which is interesting considering that Calzaghe to me is like Roy Jones to you, though I regard Calzaghe better head to head.

Anyway, this is much more realistic to the moment and I am glad that you take in head to head factors when ranking these guys.

 

Calzaghe goes top one based on the same criteria that Mayweather gets to number two upon [fullstop] Unless you feel Calzaghe has declined in which case he can be listed lower [fullstop]

 

Solid list, although I would have Kessler in rather than Hopkins [fullstop]

 

Well Calzaghe was #5 for me before. I can't see putting any of the other guys ahead of him. Marquez just lost, and so did Wright. He takes their spots.

I don't know what you mean that you regard Calzaghe better H2H than I do Jones. I think Jones could beat anybody at 160-168. I only ever pick Hagler to beat him, and even that is by the slimmest of margins.

 

Kessler over Hopkins is interesting. But I could put Dawson in over Hopkins as well, since I have Dawson rated higher at LHW. I could also add Cotto over Hopkins.

 

Don't worry, China_hand_Joe, The Ring is kidding no-one!

 

I mean I regard Calzaghe better head to head at the moment than you do. I don't feel ANYBODY beats Calzaghe from the 160-175 crop currently, so long as he doesn't significantly continue down his decline, this includes Dawson and other 175 fighters.

I don't pick Hagler to beat Jones at 160 or 168, nor do I pick him to beat Calzaghe at 168 either. Speed was something Hagler didn't react well against and Jones and Calzaghe both would be a hell of a jump up in terms of big men with tremendous speed and coordination.

 

When Calzaghe defeats Kessler, the top 3 spot is warranted. Head to head basis, he could be number 1 easily.

 

the prob w/ calzaghe is that even with an unbeaten record and a very long reign as a champion, he doesn't have victories against elite fighters in his record. He has also been a super middleweight throughout his career unlike the others in the list who have gone up in weight in their careers.