New Ring Magazine P4P List 8/8/07

Hopkins high placement in P4P rankings has always been dependent on the names of his opponents, rather than their actually ability at the weight and point in time Hopkins faced them at [fullstop]

 

I agree with this.

 

It is time a campaign was undertaken in which their status as the most 'offical' rankings body was undermined [fullstop]

 

But you apparently dont give him too much credit for jumping up two weight classed to beat some one either.

Do you use strictly official results or your perceived results in your rankings?

 

Just as I made my above post!

 

Tell that to the 18 middleweights he trounced as champion.

Or the oddsmakers and general boxing opinions before the Tarver fight.

Say that again for the bout with Trinidad too.

 

Tarver was journeyman level by the time Hopkins got to him [fullstop] An empty name of a fighter [fullstop]

 

Which must be the reason he was heavily favored here and in Vegas [fullstop]

When Calzaghe mans up and moves up one division, let alone two divisions and beats the man, come talk to me [fullstop]

 

I use official results.

As for Hopkins jumping up to beat Tarver. Hopkins started at LHW. He has always been capable of that weight class. He just trained himself to stay down at MW. He is much larger than Wright, who has had at least one fight at 147. Hopkins said himself that he has been capable of being a LHW for years.

 

I cannot be blamed if the majority of American fans are clueless mate [fullstop]

I remember how Baldomir was shockingly a signficant underdog against Gatti, that does not mean he deserves any credit at all for the victory [fullstop]

 

yeah, vazquez is getting too much credit for beating marquez

 

True, but would you rank him historically as a LHW? Just because he could have fought there does not mean he should have to. Tarver spoke of being a HW and has always said that he could fight at HW. Shouldnt we then rank Hopkins win as a LHW winning over a HW?

Using official results, I can see how Hopkins could fall in your list, as I feel he deserved a draw in his first bout with Taylor and a win in the second, but still to discredit his win over Tarver because his first bout as a pro was as a LHW is a little absurd IMHO. I also feel the same about the way you discredit his win over Winky. Winky was a career junior middleweight regardless of whether he got down to 147 for a bout and Hopkins was a career middleweight regardless of whether he had his first fight at 175. Very uncharacterisitc of you KG.

 

I will not argue about anyone from 160-175 with some one named after Calzaghe [fullstop]

Enjoy yourself [fullstop]

 

The campaign has officially started!:happy

 

RING are doing so many strange things, their list is no more credible than any poster's list in this thread [fullstop]