New Ring Magazine P4P List 8/8/07

Hindsight is a useful tool mate, if we can't see or accept things a long time after they happen we have no chance [fullstop] We now know what a victory over Tarver was worth [fullstop]

 

Its a good list. . . any list can be dissected and everyone has their own list but beating Marquez the way Izzy did is HUGE.

Im a big Jermain Taylor fan, but his dogshiit performance against Stinks earned him a drop. . . maybe not as a bog a drop as they gave him but its his fault.

 

I'm not discrediting it. I don't think Tarver is that good. Never have. No I won't rate Hopkins historically at LHW. But we are talking about how large Hopkins actually was, not the weight class he fought in.

I don't give ANY fighter alot of credit for beating smaller men. I never have. I am being consistant. Even if I were to give Hopkins alot of credit for jumping up to beat Tarver, that would have only put him at #4-5 on my list, which is where he was when he beat Tarver. Then he became inactive, other fighters fought and won, and he dropped off. A win over a much smaller Wright will not move him up much. Officially he has losses.

Unofficially I think he is 0-1-1 against Taylor. Its why I keep that out of the rankings.

 

Fair enough. I still think that you are being harsh regarding Hopkins. He fought coming straight out of jail and wasnt in too good of shape for that first bout. I don't think he's that much bigger than any of the middleweights that he fought during his championship reign, and can specifically remember a few (Echols, Taylor, etc.) that were bigger than he was. Now if we're talking Tito and DLH, I see your point.

 

And we know how little the win over Lacy meant then too. Again for Eubank.

And what other big wins does Joe have? Oh yeah, NONE.

If he beats Kessler, it will legitimize everything I have seen him do in the ring. Then, he would most certainly make my top 5 pound for pound, due to the extraordinary things he can do in the ring. I just want to see it done versus another proven, top notch opponent.

 

RING love any well known fighters in a close series of fights, so long as they are not european [fullstop] Morales - Barrera, Hopkins - Taylor and now Rafa - Vasquez

 

Haven't you heard of Robin Reid or David Starie, mate [questionmark] But P4P listings shouldn't be about opponents, just what that individual can do in the ring [fullstop] Hopkins can't do that much anymore and it will show against the first top notch LHW he faces [fullstop]

 

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA [fullstop]

 

I don't think that Bute will be enough of a draw though, unfortunately...:-(

 

Well it took the entire world bitching and moaning for damn near a year for him to agree to Kessler, so good luck with Bute.

 

WHAT THE ****!!!!!! :fire :fire :fire

No way Winky gets dropped from the top 5. The guy has one of the best resumes in the past few years and has dominated in the process. He loses a wrestling match 16lbs above his natural weight in a still very close fight and gets bounced for that?????? Bull****! Hopkins catapults him? Hopkins was the much bigger man, and was being ********* and beaten by Winky until the headbutting, hugging, spooning and crotch-grabbing finally tired Wright out :deal

 

I give him full credit for most of his MW wins. His biggest name wins are against smaller fighters though.

But those wins are a while back. It's not so much taking credit from Hopkins, as giving credit to guys who didn't lose. Officially, the losses to Taylor hurt him more than anything else when I do rankings.

 

Don't blame Hopkins. Winky could have had that bout years ago. He just thought that Bernard was too old. He could have come in in better shape too.

 

David Starie outclased Clinton Woods in similar fashion to how Roy Jones Jr did [fullstop] An off game Calzaghe easily and heavily outpointed Starie [fullstop]

 

Taylor above Wright? Get off the drugs Pimp atsch