New Ring Magazine P4P List 8/8/07

I'd been waiting to drop Wright for about a year [fullstop] He is on the slide [fullstop]

 

Yes but Wright has not had a big win in a while. He has a draw and a loss....losses drop you. He can't live off the Trinidad win forever. Beating old Quartey and Soliman (and that was too close) are not great wins.

 

A guy like Reid is very comparable to Echols, whom is regarded as one of Hopkins' good wins, in fact, a top prepared Reid is actually superior to a peak Echols.

 

Thats what I figured. Its a good list KG. I personally feel like Hopkins was 1-0-1 against Taylor and when I rank P4P I use my own personal scorecards as opposed to the official ones if they differ. Granted this leads to many more questions and debates, but if I feel strongly enough that a bout should have gone a different way, my P4P list must reflect this or I feel it would be dishonest.

Given just the official results though, my list would look much differently, and looking back at yours, probably very similar with the exception of Calzaghe being a little further down the list.

And I agree that Calderon should be rated, I just cant squeeze him in the top ten with the level of competition he has faced in a solitary division. If he wins his next bout, he's going to be top ten for sure.

 

I'm not blaming Hopkins. But you cannot deny the fact that Hopkins size advantage and rough housing is what won him that fight. How does that make you better than you opponent on a P4P basis if you use your extra pounds and size to win the fight?

 

Prime focused Reid (only ever seen against Calzaghe due to personal nature of their rivally) would trouble nearly any fighter in history and possibly beat Hopkins [fullstop]

 

Oh Amsterdam, you know I like you, but Calzaghe still needs elite fighters to legitimize himself.

 

What the "premature stoppage" of the Contender runner-up didn't convince you of his Greatness? :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

 

You know that I agree with this. I am just noting that you laughed at CHJ's comment on Reid and Starie when both can be compared to Echols easily, with Reid in fact being a notch up and that Hopkins gets credit for beating Echols badly twice, which I give Hopkins that credit.

Reid, Starie, Sheika, Woodhall and Mitchell, all B level, with Reid being B+, but no worse really than Hopkins' resume if you strip away Trinidad, DLH and Tarver and then if you really want to look at it, Lacy and Eubank then can move Calzaghe into that region because DLH and Trinidad are P4P guys, but very much smaller P4P guys and KG has that right.

You have to give everybody credit after really researching guys.

 

No, but DLH losing on my card to Quartey, Whitaker, Mosely 2, Sturm and easily PBF can take away from his greatness also.

I also scored the Trinidad fight a draw, yet you were so quick to arrogantly pick DLH over Floyd Mayweather, but wish to bash Calzaghe because of the common opinion you've heard from the American perspective.

 

So it was the pounds and size that completely removed Winky's jab from the fight?

It wasnt Bernard's footwork and ring generalship? It wasnt the way he came in and out at weird angles? Did that look like the typical Bernard to you?

 

Yes, but of Hopkins' 20 title defenses I would say there are two fighters who you could rate as less than B level. The same cannot be said about Calzaghe.

 

But that was an easy fight to predict, on top of it, Winky came in horrible condition and Hopkins looked worse than I thought he would.

I was predicting a Hopkins shutout, but he just didn't look that great and that's nothing on him as he's 42!!!

But I scored it 8-4, it's a good win, but should be kept in context and that's why I agree with KG. And I'm a Hopkins fan also... who isn't?

 

this list is the truth.

 

This is true and I am not denying that, but what I am saying is that Calzaghe's resume is not all that bad, like people make out.

On top of it Guru, it's not just the win, but how they won, that's why Hopkins gets credit for shutting out Echols, when Calzaghe totally blasts Kessler the **** out of the ring, that will be taken into consideration, especially since he's past prime.