NEW SURVEY - Top 10 to 25 Boxers in Each Decade (1890s-2010s)

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  1. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I totally see where you're coming from re Mike Tyson. I would definitely rate Holmes over Tyson on an all time great list but maybe Mike has the edge over Larry for the single decade of the eighties for reasons that you state.
     
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  2. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    An excellent survey!
     
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  3. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ohhh I love this…going to map it out
     
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  4. CharlieFirpo85

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    When it comes to evaluating performance per decade, it really is about consistency, right? So some main criteria should be:

    -Did the fighter defined an era?
    -How many titles? (of course what were those titles worth)
    -How many title fights / title defences?
    -How good was the peak competition during that time?
    -How many fights vs decent competitors in total?
    -Has the fighter set new records?
    (in this particular time frame)
    + of course h2h competitiveness (also for hypothetical fights)

    So that’s the reason why fighters with a short peak and fewer fights got ranked lower in my list.


    V. 1930s
    1. Joe Louis
    2. Henry Armstrong
    3. Max Baer
    4. Max Schmeling
    5. Maxie Rosenbloom
    6. John Henry Lewis
    7. Tony Canzoneri
    8. Barney Ross
    9. Jim Braddock
    10. Young Corbett III

    VI. 1940s
    1. Sugar Ray Robinson
    2. Joe Louis
    3. Ezzard Charles
    4. Willie Pep
    5. Sandy Saddler
    6. Gus Lesnevich
    7. Jersey Joe Walcott
    8. Manuel Ortiz
    9. Jake LaMotta
    10. Archie Moore


    VII. 1950s
    1. Archie Moore
    2. Sugar Ray Robinson
    3. Rocky Marciano
    4. Floyd Patterson
    5. Sandy Sadler
    6. Joey Maxim
    8. Ezzard Charles
    9. Gene Fullmer
    10. Carmen Basilio


    VIII. 1960s
    1. Muhammad Ali
    2. Emile Griffith
    3. Nino Benvenuti
    4. Bob Foster
    5. Dick Tiger
    6. Sonny Liston
    7. José Nápoles
    8. Floyd Patterson
    9. Carlos Ortiz
    10. José Torres


    IX 1970s
    1. Muhammad Ali
    2. Carlos Monzon
    3. Wilfred Benitez
    4. Roberto Duran
    5. Wilfredo Gomez
    6. Bob Foster
    7. George Foreman
    8. Joe Frazier
    9. Alexis Arguello
    10. Ken Norton


    X. 1980s
    1. Marvin Hagler
    2. Thomas Hearns
    3. Sugar Ray Leonard
    4. Roberto Duran
    5. Mike Tyson
    6. Julio César Chávez
    7. Larry Holmes
    8. Azumah Nelson
    9. Michael Spinks
    10. Aaron Pryor


    XI. 1990s
    1. Roy Jones Jr.
    2. Oscar De La Hoya
    3. Pernell Whitaker
    4. Evander Holyfield
    5. Felix Trinidad
    6. Terry Norris
    7. Julio César Chávez
    8. Shane Mosley
    9. Julian Jackson
    10. Gerald Mclellan
    11. Chris Eubank
    12. Nigel Benn
    13. Lennox Lewis
    14. Bernard Hopkins
    15. Riddick Bowe
     
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  5. Del Boy

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    Ooof Madone! Rummy my man. Great project to put together. Thanks for letting us in on it. I can’t wait to put my brain to some real meaningful important work while I’m at my dull as hell civilian job.
     
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  6. mattdonnellon

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    1.Bob Fitz
    2.Jack McAuliffe
    3.Tommy Ryan
    4-Kid McCoy
    5-Jim Jeffries
    6-JJ Corbett
    7-Peter Jackson
    8-Joe Walcott
    9-George Dixon
    10Terry -McGovern
    11-Frank Erne
    12-YoungGriffo
    13-Kid Lavigne
    14-Joe Choynski
    15-Billy Smith
    16-Jack Sharkey
    17-Peter Maher
    18-Joe Gans.
    19-Pedlar Palmer
    20-Tommy West
    21-Dan Creedon
    22-George McFadden
    23-George Byers
    24-Frank Childs
    25-Jack Dempsey.
     
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  7. Rumsfeld

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    If you get the chance to please add first names in here and going forward for any other decades you create lists for, it will make things significantly easier for me to log the data at the end.

    Cheers.
     
  8. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Will do, just lazy!!!
     
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  9. Greg Price99

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    Based entirely on fights in that decade:

    1890's:

    1. Bob Fitzsimmons
    2. Tommy Ryan
    3. George Dixon
    4. Charles Kid McCoy
    5. Joe Gans
    6. Terry McGovern
    7. Frank Erne
    8. Jim Jeffries
    9. George Kid Lavigne
    10. Barbados Joe Walcott
    11. Young Griffo
    12. Jimmy Barry
    13. Peter Maher
    14. George McFadden
    15. Tom Sharkey
    16. Mysterious Billy Smith
    17. Pedlar Palmer
    18. Jack McAuliffe
    19. Oscar Gardner
    20. Joe Choyinski
    21. Jack Root
    22. Jim Hall
    23. Tommy West
    24. Dal Hawkins
    25. Wilmington Jack Daly

    1900's:

    1. Joe Gans
    2. Packey McFarland
    3. Stanley Ketchel
    4. Jack Johnson
    5. Abe Attell
    6. Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
    7. Jim Driscoll
    8. Sam Langford
    9. Terry McGovern
    10. Owen Moran
    11. Tommy Ryan
    12. Tommy Burns
    13. Barbados Joe Walcott
    14. Benny Yanger
    15. Charles Kid McCoy
    16. Young Corbett II
    17. Jack Blackburn
    18. Marvin Hart
    19. Jack Root
    20. Billy Papke
    21. Jack Twin Sullivan
    22. Battling Nelson
    23. Joe Jeanette
    24. George Gardner
    25. Mike Schreck

    1910's:

    1. Harry Greb
    2. Sam Langford
    3. Jimmy Wilde
    4. Tommy Gibbons
    5. Packey McFarland
    6. Benny Leonard
    7. Mike Gibbons
    8. Jack Britton
    9. Jack Dillon
    10. Ted Kid Lewis
    11. Freddie Welsh
    12. Harry Wills
    13. Johnny Kilbane
    14. Philadelphia Pal Moore
    15. Pete Herman
    16. Kid Williams
    17. Jack Dempsey
    18. Kid Norfolk
    19. Billy Miske
    20. Lockport Jimmy Duffy
    21. Johnny Dundee
    22. Lew Tendler
    23. Jeff Clark
    24. Joe Lynch
    25. Johnny Coulon

    1920's:

    1. Harry Greb
    2. Gene Tunney
    3. Benny Leonard
    4. Mickey Walker
    5. Tommy Laughran
    6. Sammy Mandell
    7. Jackie Fields
    8. Jack Delaney
    9. Jimmy McLarnin
    10. Frankie Genaro
    11. Tommy Gibbons
    12. Tiger Flowers
    13. Pancho Villa
    14. Sid Terris
    15. Kid Norfolk
    16. Lew Tendler
    17. Newsboy Brown
    18. Joe Dundee
    19. Panama Al Brown
    20. Bud Taylor
    21. Kid Chocolate
    22. Midget Wolgast
    23. Young Corbett III
    24. Rocky Kansas
    25. Willie Davies

    1930's:

    1. Henry Armstrong
    2. Barney Ross
    3. Joe Louis
    4. Mickey Walker
    5. Lou Ambers
    6. Freddie Steele
    7. Tony Canzoneri
    8. Young Corbett III
    9. John Henry Lewis
    10. Panama Al Brown
    11. Billy Conn
    12. Benny Lynch
    13. Teddy Yarosz
    14. Maxie Rosenbloom
    15. Midget Wolgast
    16. Peter Kane
    17. Jimmy McLarnin
    18. Freddie Miller
    19. Tommy Laughran
    20. Kid Chocolate
    21. Jack Kid Berg
    22. Fred Apostoli
    23. Baby Arizmendi
    24. Fidel LaBarba
    25. Sammy Angott

    1940's

    1. SRR
    2. Ezzard Charles
    3. Willie Pep
    4. Joe Louis
    5. Charley Burley
    6. Jimmy Bivins
    7. Holman Williams
    8. Manuel Ortiz
    9. Ike Williams
    10. Archie Moore
    11. Sandy Saddler
    12. Henry Armstrong
    13. Lloyd Marshall
    14. Billy Conn
    15. Jake LaMotta
    16. Sammy Angott
    17. Beau Jack
    18. Eddie Booker
    19. Kid Gavilan
    20. Tony Zale
    21. Tippy Larkin
    22. Bert Lytell
    23. Marcel Cerdan
    24. Rinty Monaghan
    25. Willie Joyce

    1950's:

    1. Archie Moore
    2. Rocky Marciano
    3. Pascual Perez
    4. Sugar Ray Robinson
    5. Kid Gavilan
    6. Floyd Patterson
    7. Joe Brown
    8. Sandy Saddler
    9. Carmen Basillo
    10. Gene Fullmer
    11. Harold Johnson
    12. Bobo Olson
    13. Davey Moore
    14. Duilio Loi
    15. Jimmy Carruthers
    16. Yoshio Shirai
    17. Tony DeMarco
    18. Johnny Saxton
    19. Ezzard Charles
    20. Del Flanagan
    21. Eder Jofre
    22. Sonny Liston
    23. Willie Pastrano
    24. Willie Pep
    25. Carlos Ortiz

    1960's:

    1. Muhammed Ali
    2. Emile Griffiths
    3. Fighting Harada
    4. Vicente Saldivar
    5. Ruben Olivares
    6. Eder Jofre
    7. Carlos Ortiz
    8. Jose Napoles
    9. Dick Tiger
    10. Nino Benvenuti
    11. Nicolino Locche
    12. Sonny Liston
    13. Lionel Rose
    14. Luis Manuel Rodriguez
    15. Horacio Accavallo
    16. Pone Kingpetch
    17. Sugar Ramos
    18. Bob Foster
    19. Chartchai Chionoi
    20. Joe Frazier
    21. Carlos Monzon
    22. Curtis Cokes
    23. Hiroyuki Ebihara
    24. Ismael Laguna
    25. Salavtore Burruni

    1970's

    1. Carlos Monzon
    2. Roberto Duran
    3. Muhammed Ali
    4. Miguel Canto
    5. Alexis Arguello
    6. Jose Napoles
    7. Bob Foster
    8. Wilfred Benetiz
    9. George Foreman
    10. Carlos Zarate
    11. Masao Oba
    12. Antonio Cervantes
    13. Larry Holmes
    14. Wilfredo Gomez
    15. Sugar Ray Leonard
    16. Eder Jofre
    17. Matthew Saad Muhammed
    18. Carlos Palomino
    19. Ayub Kalule
    20. Joe Frazier
    21. Danny Lopez
    22. Ruben Olivares
    23. Betulio Gonzalez
    24. Victor Galindez
    25. Esteban De Jesus

    1980's

    1. Sugar Ray Leonard
    2. Michael Spinks
    3. Marvin Hagler
    4. Julio Cesar Chavez
    5. Thomas Hearns
    6. Salvador Sanchez
    7. Mike Tyson
    8. Roberto Duran
    9. Mike McCallum
    10. Alexis Arguello
    11. Larry Holmes
    12. Evander Holyfield
    13. Wilfredo Gomez
    14. Azumah Nelson
    15. Jung Koo Chang
    16. Jeff Chandler
    17. Eusebio Pedroza
    18. Hector Camacho
    19. Donald Curry
    20. Aaron Pryor
    21. Jeff Fenech
    22. Gilberto Roman
    23. Michael Nunn
    24. Sumbu Kalambay
    25. Lloyd Honeyghan

    1990's:

    1. Pernell Whitaker
    2. Roy Jones Jnr
    3. Oscar De La Hoya
    4. Lennox Lewis
    5. James Toney
    6. Evander Holyfield
    7. Felix Trinidad
    8. Julio Cesar Chavez
    9. Ricardo Lopez
    10. Prince Naseem Hamed
    11. Dariusz Michalczewski
    12. Bernard Hopkins
    13. Riddick Bowe
    14. Michael Moorer
    15. Terry Norris
    16. Sung Kil-Moon
    17. Yuri Arbachakov
    18. Michael Carbajal
    19. Eric Morales
    20. Wilfredo Vasquez
    21. Chris Eubank
    22. Nigel Benn
    23. Humberto Gonzalez
    24. Shane Mosley
    25. Junior Jones


    I'll try and do the remaining decades before the deadline
     
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  10. Rumsfeld

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    1. Austinboxing #6
    2. Dynamicpuncher #7
    3. Mastrangelo #17
    4. Rubber Glove Sandwich #19
    5. McGrain #20
    6. turpinr #24
    7. CharlieFirpo85 #34
    8. mattdonnellon #36
    9. Greg Price99 #39
     
  11. mattdonnellon

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    1-Joe Gans
    2-Sam Langford
    3-Jack Johnson
    4-Jim Jeffries
    5-Joe Jeannette
    6-Sam McVea
    7-Stanley Ketchel
    8-Tommy Burns
    9-Marvin Hart
    10-Jack O’Brien
    11-Bob Fitzsimmons
    12-Battling Nelson
    13-Young Corbett 11
    14-Terry McGovern
    15-George Gardiner
    16-Jack Root
    17-Frank Klaus
    18-Joe Walcott
    19-Owen Moran
    20-Dave Holly
    21-Mike Schreck
    22-Jack Twin Sullivan
    23-Willie Lewis
    24-Ed Martin
    25-Gus Ruhlin
     
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  12. mattdonnellon

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    1910-19

    1-Benny Leonard
    2-Harry Greb
    3-Jimmy Wilde
    4-Sam Langford
    5-Harry Wills
    6-Jack Dempsey
    7-Sam McVea
    8-Joe Jeannette
    9-Kid Norfolk
    10-Jack Johnson
    11-Tommy Gibbons
    12-Packey McFarland
    13-Jeff Clarke
    14-Jess Willard
    15-Luther McCarty
    16-Gunboat Smith
    17-Jack-Dillon
    18-Georges Carpentier
    19-Battling Levinsky
    20-Freddie Welsh
    21-Jack Britton
    22-Ted Lewis
    23-Johnny Kilbane
    24-Pete Herman
    25-Billy Miske

    Honourable mention:

    Frank Klaus
    Johnny Dundee
    Fred Fulton
    Publish and be damned and may the Lord have mercy on my soul!
     
  13. White Bomber

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    1900's:
    1. Joe Gans
    2. James J. Jeffries
    3. Stanley Ketchel
    4. Sam Langford
    5. Bob Fitzsimmons
    6. Jack Johnson
    7. Tommy Ryan
    8. Terry McGovern
    9. Tommy Burns
    10. Philadelphia Jack O'Brien

    1910's:
    1. Harry Greb
    2. Jack Johnson
    3. Sam Langford
    4. Jimmy Wilde
    5. Benny Leonard
    6. Mike Gibbons
    7. Harry Wills
    8. Ted Kid Lewis
    9. Freddie Welsh
    10. Jack Dempsey

    1920's:
    1. Jack Dempsey
    2. Harry Greb
    3. Gene Tunney
    4. Benny Leonard
    5. Mickey Walker
    6. Tommy Laughran
    7. Tommy Gibbons
    8. Pancho Villa
    9. Tiger Flowers
    10. Jimmy McLarnin

    1930's:
    1. Joe Louis
    2. Henry Armstrong
    3. Barney Ross
    4. Mickey Walker
    5. Tony Canzoneri
    6. Freddie Steele
    7. John Henry Lewis
    8. Billy Conn
    9. Max Schmeling
    10. Panama Al Brown

    VI. 1940s
    1. Sugar Ray Robinson :campeon:
    2. Joe Louis
    3. Ezzard Charles
    4. Willie Pep
    5. Ike Williams
    6. Manuel Ortiz
    7. Gus Lesnevich
    8. Charlie Burley
    9. Jake LaMotta
    10. Sammy Angott

    VII. 1950s
    1. Archie Moore
    2. Sugar Ray Robinson
    3. Rocky Marciano
    4. Floyd Patterson
    5. Sandy Sadler
    6. Kid Gavilán
    7. Sonny Liston
    8. Gene Fullmer
    9. Jersey Joe Walcott
    10. Carmen Basilio

    VIII. 1960s
    1. Muhammad Ali
    2. Eder Jofre
    3. Sonny Liston
    4. Bob Foster
    5. Dick Tiger
    5. José Nápoles
    6. Nino Benvenuti
    7. Emile Griffith
    8. Vicente Saldivar
    9. Carlos Ortiz
    10. José Torres

    IX 1970s
    1. Roberto Duran
    2. Carlos Monzon
    3. Wilfred Benitez
    4. Muhammad Ali
    5. Bob Foster
    6. Joe Frazier
    7. George Foreman
    8. Wilfredo Gomez
    9. Alexis Arguello
    10. Larry Holmes

    X. 1980s
    1. Mike Tyson :ggg
    2. Marvin Hagler
    3. Thomas Hearns
    4. Larry Holmes
    5. Roberto Duran
    6. Aaron Pryor
    7. Julio César Chávez
    8. Sugar Ray Leonard
    9. Michael Spinks
    10. Azumah Nelson
    11. Julian Jackson
    12. Evander Holyfield
    13. Dwight Muhammad Qawi
    14. Mike McCallum
    15. Meldrick Taylor

    XI. 1990s
    1. Roy Jones Jr.
    2. Pernell Whitaker
    3. Julio Cesar Chavez
    4. Oscar De La Hoya
    5. James Toney
    6. Terry Norris
    7. Felix Trinidad
    8. Naseem Hamed
    9. Lennox Lewis
    10. Riddick Bowe
    11. Evander Holyfield
    12. Gerald Mclellan
    13. Bernard Hopkins
    14. Chris Eubank
    15. Nigel Benn

    XII. 2000s
    1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
    2. Manny Pacquiao
    3. Bernard Hopkins
    4. Wladimir Klitschko
    5. Joe Calzaghe
    6. Vitali Klitschko
    7. Shane Mosley
    8. Juan Manuel Márquez
    9. Oscar De La Hoya
    10. Arthuro Gatti

    XIII. 2010s
    1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
    2. Manny Pacquiao
    3. Canelo Alvarez
    4. Andre Ward
    5. Gennady Golovkin
    6. Vasyl Lomachenko
    7. Tyson Fury
    8. Oleksandr Usyk
    9. Sergey Kovalev
    10. Carl Froch
     
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  14. CharlieFirpo85

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    I really like your list. You made me think to re-order the 1940s. If I stick to my criteria, Louis has to be ranked ahead of Charles. Consistency beats brilliance.
     
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  15. Greg Price99

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    Louis and Charles are 2 of my favourite all time fighters.

    I rate Louis #1 all time @ HW.

    Consistency of dominance is more key on my ranking criteria than most too, and I factor in prime losses to a higher degree than most as well.

    According to my notes, Louis went 18-0 during the 40's, Charles 65-5-1. It's difficult to give Louis too much credit for the extra consistency, given that Charles had so many more fights. 17 of Louis's fights being WT title fights does factor in his favour though. So, imo, it's slight advantage Louis, before we compare the quality of their respective best wins during the decade:

    Louis has - JJW x 2, Buddy Baer x 2, Arturo Godoy x 2, Lou Nova, Abe Simon x 2 & much smaller Billy Conn x 2

    Charles has - Archie Moore x 3, Jimmy Bivins x 3 (who was past prime for the last couple), 14lbs heavier JJW, 16-18lbs heavier Joey Maxim x 3, Gus Lesnevich, 17lbs heavier Elmer Ray, Oakland Billy Smith x 2, Lloyd Marshall x 2, smaller Charley Burley x 2, Teddy Yarosz, Anton Christoforidis & 33lbs heavier Joe Baski

    For me, the clear advantage in Charles favour more than bridges Louis's aforementioned advantage. Based purely on fights in the 40's, Charles is #2 for me, with Louis #4. Pep is sandwiched between the two.

    On another note, the 40's could well be the strongest decade ever. I'm a big fan of Lloyd Marshall and am disgusted at myself for ranking him as low as #13 during the decade, given he did almost all of his best work there, but there's no way I can get him higher, such is the quality of the work done by other fighters in the 40's.
     
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