Just read an article written in the 1930's by Bill Braucher,in which he states categorically that Corbett was way ahead in the first fight with Jeffries. Braucher says that between the 19th and 20th rounds William Brady,Jeffries manager and Corbett's ex manager,climbed into the ring and told Tommy Ryan ,Jeffries chief second to "get out".Ryan went for Brady, who then enlisted the help of the Police to have him removed. Brady shouted at Jeffries," your'e losing ,Charlie White[the ref] is going to give Corbett the decision,your only chance is to knock him out.Go out,run him down ,slug!". Jeffries came out like a tiger and began to force things ,winning by a ko in the 23rd round. Anyone heard this before ? Or have any information on it?
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This is at odds with the revisionist assertions from such as Mendoza that the fight was actually close.And all subsequent versions of the fight were coloured by Corbett's self interested reflections.
Well it certainly dosnt coroborate Corbetts claims that he was 23-0 up going into the last round. The fight seems to have been close with Corbett probably having the better of it.
Corbett was a great self publicist, and was no doubt" egging the pudding " there.However ,if Brady's exhortations are true then Jeffries was certainly clearly behind going into the 20th rnd. I suppose we will have to wait for Pollack's book.
I dont read it like this. It sounds to me like it was a close affair that could have gone either way. Corbett is a very difficult figure to put a finger on. I think he is underated, but he may have been a little inconsistent. I agree that it wasnt prime corbett in there, but he seems to have been, at the very least, at an equivalent stage to what Larry Holmes was when he lost to michael Spinks. Corbett was capable of upsetting any heavyweight that ever lived, imo. He could be KOd and did lack a little power, but he was still very good. I think that he was a better version of Ellis or Young, in an all time sense.
The NY times article is a bit more detailed than the one Janitor posted. How can a primary source with detailed anaylis be classified as " revisionist "? Lets check the agenda at the door. If you read this report, you will in fact see the fight was pretty much even prior to the knockout, with Jeffrres well in control several rounds before the KO. There are some things that might surpise you, such as Jeffrres made Corbett miss plenty too. A detailed round by round report is below: http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9506E6D91E31E033A25751C1A9639C946197D6CF If the above link doesn't work, this link should. All you have to do is click on view article. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstra...7D6CF&scp=31&sq=Jeffries+and+Jim+Corbett&st=p
I have no agenda here, I have no preference for either Jeffries or Corbett, but I would like to know how much credence to put into the claim that Brady climbed through the ropes ,sacked Ryan on the spot and ordered him out of the ring ,between ,the 19th and 20th rounds . If ,as quoted Brady told Jeffries at that time "You have got to knock him out to win", it suggests to me that Jeffries was clearly adrift in the scoring. And I ended with perhaps Pollack's book will clear this up. If you took the trouble to LOOK before springing to the defence of your beloved Jeffries ,you would have seen that I ended my thread with a question mark ,ie open to comment and either confirmation or contradiction. THATS CALLED BEING OBJECTIVE SOMETHING TOTALLY ALIEN TO YOU:nono
Yes, In the Ring With James J. Jeffries will have all the analysis you'll ever want or need on this fight.
What amazes me is you'll believe anything in a book...so long as it corresponds to your rooting interests. What Braucher said needs to be examined. If you researched things, Jeffries had a falling out with Tommy Ryan. Indeed Ryan was in Corbett's corner for the re-match while Jeffries punished a washed up Jeffries of Corbett.:deal I do not think Braucher was at this fight! Also when did Braucher write this article? Corbett was dead in the early 1930's. Corbett's claim of him being up 22 rounds to 0 is complete fiction. As for Brady he was Corbett's manager, and very fond of him! The two shared a love for theater. What we have here is sour grapes from Corbett's friends. Primary news reads suggest the fight was close. I think a historian, or serious fight fan should go on primary reads, not information from friends of one fighter 30+ years after the fact.
I have allready said I have no preference for either fighter . If you pressed me I would say ,as I have several times on this forum ,that Jefffries was SUPERIOR to every Champion who came before him. I am all for Braucher's report being examined ,that was the SOLE reason for my bringing it to the attention of the forum! I never said ,or implied Braucher was at the fight . NOWHERE have I said Corbett's claim to be 22-0 rounds up was true . In fact I said he was a master of "self publicity,and egged the pudding". Yuo have as usual totally missed the point of my thread . It was NOT designed to present Jeffries in a bad light ,but to ascertain IF there was any truth in the fact that Brady ejected Ryan from the corner BETWEEN the 19th and 20th rounds, because the advice he was giving Jeff was to box, and not fight Corbett. If he did throw Ryan out and, as he stated then, in no uncertain terms ,shouted at Jeff to throw eveything at Corbett because you are losing ,WOULD THAT NOT BE WORTH KNOWING ? We all know Brady was previously Corbett's manager ,but Jeffries was his current meal ticket when they met .I mentioned Brady's connection to Corbett in my first post . So ,what relevance has that to what occurred? "Sour grapes from Corbett's friends"? On what do you base this assertion? Do you know Braucher was a friend of Corbett? I WANT TO KNOW IF BRADY THREW RYAN OUT OF THE CORNER AND TOOK OVER THE TACTICS FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE FIGHT. I DON'T KNOW,AND YOU CERTAINLY DON'T ,ALL YOU POST IS THE USUAL BOMBAST AND HOT AIR ,COUPLED WITH YOU FAVOURITE LINE "News reports suggest",Which by the way ,you should change to the selective news reports I have provided that suit me and not the others. What does this mean? " Indeed Ryan was in Corbett's corner for the rematch while Jeffries punished a washed up Jeffries of Corbett". THAT STATEMENT IS TYPICAL OF YOU .IT MAKES NO SENSE !
