*NEW* The Ring P4P Rankings - Cotto is GONE!

Lets break that down

Last 6 fights
WIN - Kelly Pavlik, at the time regarded as top 10 P4P and the best in his division
LOSS - Joe Calzaghe, ATG and future HOFer (he came the closest to beating him)
WIN - Ronald Wright, future HOF, former lineal champion, retired Trinidad
WIN - Antonio Tarver, future HOFer KOd RJJ, 5 time champion
LOSS (x2) Jermain Taylor, former lineal champion

 

This is one of the problems that you get when you place too much emphasis on single results, there is a danger of circular reasoning just as you are employing here.

Nobody had Mosley anywhere near the top ten before he beat Margarito. Nobody had Margarito anywhere near the top ten before he beat Cotto (after which result the world went a little mad. It is clear now and clear to me at the time that Margarito was never a pound for pound fighter).

So you are arguing that Cotto has beaten a P4P elite, but the only reason Mosley is currently considered so is that he beat someone who beat Cotto. Circular reasoning personified.

 

Obviously if you are a linear champion then anyone you lose to will themselves become linear champion. You can't use that to big up the defeat!

 

Again, All depend who's list were you looking at. Kirilov and Arce has never even been close to my list. While Mosley never been really out. Why is that???? Because is my ****ing list!!!

 

But you can't think like that. "Oh Darchinyan became a P4P-er, put Donaire on the list then." Stupidity was all over the place when Margarito beat Cotto, and The Ring put Williams on the list despite getting schooled by Quintana before stopping him (took 2 fights which he should've done in 1, Williams was a huge favorite) and beating Kolle atsch. P4P list is all 'technicality' as you get your position based on the opposition, especially P4P-ers you beat. Mosley became a P4P-er after beating a P4P ranked Margarito, any I see experts putting him that high because the of the way Cotto lost to Tony and the way Tony lost to Mosley, putting the close Cotto-Mosley in a different perspective. But as I've said, you can't go back in time to say "oh but I beat Mosley back then". Beat Mosley NOW and he'll get a top place. That's the way P4P ranking works.

 

More evidence!!! Can anybody please what the P4P concept good for???

 

I wouldnt go that far, he knows how to win. I dont think he's top 10 but he should be mentioned.

 

And I am still not sure about Williams. I think he got lucky in that second fight. Lets see what else he can do

 

The only real problem I have with the list is that Rafael Marquez is still on it. He's lost two in a row, and will probably never be the same as a fighter. Caballero is a solid choice. He's beaten numerous top 10 guys in his division, is a unified champ, and was blatantly ducked by Vazquez. I have no idea how anyone can say Cotto belongs in there over Darchinyan. Vic has beaten several good fighters and has collected 4 belts over two divisions. Even with Cotto fighting Clottey, he can't close the gap on Vic if Vic beats Agbeko.

 

So I guess because Judah or Mosley were not on a list or top 10 on a list at the time, I guess they must of been bums. What year was it that Cotto fought these guys 2007. What 2 years ago? Oh my god Cotto fought Judah and Mosley when they were bums. atsch

 

No he didn't. Getting lucky is like when Kevin Kelly was getting schooled by Gainer then closed his eyes and connected with a hail mary shot. Williams came in there with a much better gameplan against Quintana and capitalized on Quintana's mistakes.