New thoughts on Pac/Hoya

Oscar has always had trouble with speed, even in his prime...Who doesnt???

Oscar was both shot and drained, a fighter dont say I just dont have it anymore if its just a matter of a fighter being faster.

Oscar Looked bad in that fight no matter how the Pac fans try and spin it. Its like saying that Jones looked the same vs Sheika as he did vs Ruiz..Its a flat out lie. You cant watch that fight and at any point say man Oscar is looking pretty good. That fact alone points to Oscar being shot, the timing could very well be because of being weight drained, which even Roach admitted to.

 

Everything else you said it's "fine".

But how you choose to eat his words up as facts, in this particular situation, shows your bias. You wouldn't take what a fighter says after he loses as a fact if that fighter was fighting Floyd for example, I'm sure of that.

It doesn't matter if he was really shot or drained. Just using his words after losing as facts is hilarious. You try to pass off as neutral. Please... :tired

 

The big difference between the Mayweather fight and the Pacquiao fight is that DLH is carrying around 13 lbs more for Mayweather......

If I'm not mistaken, Mayweather weighed 150 lbs officially for DLH, but was said to have lost a pound or two at fight time.....which would mean that both Mayweather and Pacquiao weighed about the same.

DLH did'nt let himself get weighed for Mayweather on the night of the fight......but we can estimate that he gained at least 6 lbs and stepped into the ring at 160 lbs..........

Both Mayweather and Pac weighing the same, Mayweather faced the much bigger fighter.........


Having said that, DLH was crazy if his intention was to fight light vs Pacquiao.......because I will say this, prime or not, if both DLH and Pac step into the ring weighing about the same at 147 lbs and below, Pacquiao dominates DLH everytime......

Its a styles issue and I agreed with what Nacho Beristein said about what happened to DLH against Pacquiao.......
Nacho said, "DLH simply could not decipher Pacquiao's southpaw stance."

......and when it was posed to Nacho what the difference was on why DLH could'nt and Marquez could......Nacho said, Marquez is more versatile and more adaptable to styles and situations, he's just alot more alive mentally with the going on's in the ring. The plan was for Oscar to shoot his right hand repeatedly over Pacquiao's left, but Oscar simply could'nt do it. We prepared for it, but in the ring, he just was'nt doing it."




Which take me to what I've always thought about Oscar Delahoya......he's physically gifted, but boxistically overrated!

 

Neutral??? Im rarely that...But I can always see and understand the other side of a debate....Funny thing is you say it shows my biased by saying that Oscar admitted that he didnt have it anymore...That statement alone shows me that you have never been involved in a highly competitive situation, if you are admitting that you arent what you once was is the hardest thing in the world. Why do you think that so many fighters say stuff like "It wasnt my night" when the rest of us can see that he isnt good anymore IE Jones, Or "I can still be heavyweight champ" IE holyfield...Don come back and try and sell me a bill of good about you doing this or that because I know that your not telling the truth so dont make the effort. Anyone that has ever been in that position would tell you that is the last thing that you would ever want to admitt.

 

Its his weak hand, he's never used it to any great effect in any of his fights.....
......MAB is the same way, they rely on the left hand, and even if they work to employ it in a fight in the gym, in a real fight it just does'nt come naturally and their instincts dont instruct themselves to throw it.

When you fight a fighter that is at your caliber of skill or better, you do what comes naturally........to attempt to employ something that you've never been doing your entire career against a figher that caliber of Pacquiao, you'll just be devoured.

DLH's natural instincts are to throw his power hand, the left.........but as we saw Pac do against MAB, he's got a good defense against fighters that rely on their left hands........against these types, Pac uses his own right hand and mobility to defend against the others left, and all the time has his left hand free to shoot it at will.

Pac devours these left hook happy fighters everytime.:yep

 

I'll just disagree with you without arguing with you on the matter.....the last thing I want to do is get into a DLH-Trinidad debate.....but I will say that even in the Trinidad, the left is what came naturally against Trinidad.
DLH simply used a stalling type of a fight plan vs Trinidad.
His plan was to win by using footspeed.......but as Pernell Whitaker has proven over the years, a stalling type of a fight plan just is'nt popular with fight judges.

Neither DLH nor Trinidad effectively used their fists to impress in that fight......I think I'll just leave it at that!

......even if you thought DLH beat Trinidad, the right hand certainly was'nt the key to any sucess he may have had.

 

I didnt see the fight live on TV.

It was a delayed free TV telecast and we had to listen to the AM radio for the live blow by blow broadcast.

The radio announcers were kinda in shock, and the way they were describing the fight, it looked like total domination, without the KDs and knee wobbling powershots.

I saw the fight on TV 3 hours later. It looked like DLH never got his groove started.

You know, the jab-jab-straight-hook, with his chin tucked in, bouncing on the balls of his feet groove of his?

 

And for that matter quit calling quit calling Pacquiao "Pac." His name is Pacquiao. You insult his family with this disrespect. Is is so hard to call him MP. You guys sicken me.

 

I don't call him Pac.
There is only one "Pac" to me... and he's dead & dearly missed... (either that or he's alive & kicking it in Mexico, Venezuela or Cuba if you believe the hilarious stories some ppl cling to)

 

Pac-Hoya? Pac should be credited. Though DLH was dead at 147 lbs fight night. DLH imo only makes it somewhat competitive if he was'nt.
Head to head even in DLH's prime, Pac just matches up well to DLH's style. Thats just obvious to me especially after seeing Pac handle a similar type style fighter in MAB to DLH.


Pac vs Mayweather- If they fought tommorow without the benefit of seeing how JMM has done vs Mayweather.....I'd say Mayweather wins it as comfortably as I thought JMM beat Pac, and since Mayweather is'nt as fistically aggressive in his counters as JMM, Pac would'nt have the benefit of scoring knockdowns vs Mayweather.

I view that fight as 10-2, 9-3 at best in favor of Mayweather. From my perspective, Pac has'nt shown me he can adjust with skilled boxers who are versatile in their games.
The key to beat Pac is to shoot the right hand over Pac's left, and Mayweather has a damn good hard right hand.

The two fighters Pac just beat, dont have right hands to speak of, but Mayweather certainly does have that.


Now, with the benefit of seeing how Mayweather is performing now and against JMM, I may change my mind on Pac's chances vs Mayweather.

If say JMM loses, but has some sucess in pressuring and delivering power.......it all depends, JMM may not be able to employ his boxing against a fast slick fighter like Mayweather, but have sucess with pressure and powershot connects.....if that were to be the case, then certainly one could come to the conclusion that Pac may be able to to have sucess vs Mayweather......


......but from what I've seen to date, this is how I'd rate the fighters chances vs Mayweather......

JMM- 35% to pull the upset, maybe even slightly higher.

Pac- 15%.....just a style issue here. I regard JMM as better skilled boxistically than Mayweather. Pac imo is'tn going to have sucess against a Mayweather who will dominate him boxistically.

The one thing about Mayweather is that he's very calculating.......against a Pac type, he'll stop fighting in a round he feels is already in the bag.......that is'nt something that JMM does, which makes him more suceptible to get knocked down against a dangerous puncher like Pac.

My honest opinion!:thumbsup