Newspaper heading that shows the Johnson v Johnson fight was scheduled for 10 rounds

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  1. mcvey

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  2. Rasch

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    It's referred to as a scheduled 10 round fight in "Boxing" (now Boxing News) too.

    But the CBZ still refers to it as a 20 round fight ..... and for some people that trumps contemporary accounts! :roll:
     
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  3. mcvey

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    Especially if it suits their agenda .
     
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  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    He is absolutely incapable of making this adjustment. He has been shown multiple sources naming it a ten round fight - i've shown him three or four myself - but he chooses to ignore the contemporary sources in favour of one that fits in with his world view despite the evidence to the contrary.

    I think that's the literal definition of someone who is insane.
     
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  5. PowerPuncher

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    Mendoza has autism
     
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  6. Mendoza

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    We have been over this before ad nauseam. Unforgivable Blackness said it was 20 rounds, and so does the Cyber Boxing Zone. Regardless of which scheduled distance one believes its clear Johnson was lucky to escape with a draw, and of course never offered a re-match!


    As I said before the French were disgusted with the outcome, and wanted Johnson to face Langford or Jeanette. The French tired to strip Johnson of his title.
     
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  7. mcvey

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    Unforgivable Blackness makes NO MENTION of it being a 20 round fight ,I have told you this several times , you just ignore it.

    The French Boxing Federation stripped Johnson of their version of the title BEFORE the fight, in October of that year, Johnson fought Battling Jim in December.


    The day after the fight ,[20th Dec 1913, ]Langford fought Jeannette for the French version of the title, which Langford won by 20rd dec ,3 weeks later they stripped Langford.

    I doubt anyone noticed, or cared.

    Six months after drawing with Battling Jim ,Johnson ,tacitly "reinstated " defended his title in the same ring against Moran.
    When posters are calling you "insane",and you are being labelled autistic, its time to assess whether your position on a subject is;
    1, tenable.
    2,credible.
    3, rational.
    4, objective.

    The obvious conclusion is NO on all points.:nono

    P S.Do you still "hear the voices".


    The French tired to strip Johnson?:huh
     
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  8. lufcrazy

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    I don't understand the controversy at all, practically every mention of the fight is relating to it being ten rounds.

    Johnson was quite a **** champ after beating jeffries but it was because of those he didn't fight as opposed to his performances in the ring.
     
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  9. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    1913-12-19 La Presse (Paris, France) (page 3)
    Jack Johnson contre Jim Johnson
    (Vendredi 19 décembre)
    Premierland français -- Elysée-Montmartre
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    Pour encadrer le splendide combat mettant aux prises l'officiel champion du monde Jack Johnson avec Jim Johnson, vainqueur de Joë Jeannette, MM. Roth et Maitrot ont tenu à composer un programme magnifique, comportant quatre combats en 10 rounds : Léonard contre Moisy, Eustache contre Maillet, Lurie contre Pigot, Jack Johnson contre Jim Johnson.

    Translation by Google:
    Jack Johnson against Jim Johnson
    (Friday, 19 December)
    Premierland French - Elysee-Montmartre
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    To frame the splendid battle pitting the official world champion Jack Johnson Jim Johnson, winner of Joe Jeannette, MM. Roth and Maitrot held to compose a great program, with four fights in 10 rounds: Leonard against Mouldy, Eustache against Maillet, Pigot against Lurie, Jack Johnson against Jim Johnson.
     
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  10. Jorodz

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    french for mcmustache
     
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  11. McGrain

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    So have we. It's fascinating though, it's about the most blatant example of a person refusing to adjust to reality because it hurts their own world view i've ever seen on here. Janitor, MattD, Kevin Smith, McVey and now Senya, have all produced primary sources which you just happily ignore and carry on your merry way.


    I suppose you have a primary for this? I'd love to see it.
     
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  12. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If i can ask a serious question/summary,


    i have seen the recent proof that this fight was scheduled for 10 rounds. I also understand that the CBZ mentioned that it was scheduled for 20 rounds.

    Is this the only report that says 20 rounds, did the CBZ base it on any reports at all (i know someone was going to email them at one stage but dont think anyone ever told of the results) and if so, was it a one off article or are there more than one ie articles both ways.
     
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  13. McGrain

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    There is some smoke. Mendoza claims to be in correspondence with two historians who have done "thousands of hours" of research on this problem and have come up with a 20 round fight. He also claims that the same historians (I think) have shown him a primary French source naming it as such.

    However, the correspondence with the two mystery historians is so secret, that Mendoza can't name them - nor can he explain the basis of their conclusions.

    Because the newspaper was also inexplicably shown to him in secret, he can't name the source, nor reproduce any of it here.

    Basically, it sounds like bull**** given the poster, but you never know.
     
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  14. mcvey

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    Any one giving credence to Mendoza's claims of secret info on this fight must be waiting with bated breath for Santa Claus.
     
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  15. lufcrazy

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    What I don't understand is the relevance; what does mendoza hope to gain by suggesting it should have been a 20 round fight?

    Is there some tenuous link from between a 20 round fight and a degridation of johnson's legacy?
     
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