Next time you American posters complain about Joppy as an opponent for Bute...

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  1. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Exactly! It makes a lot of business sense! So why did they turn their backs to it?
     
  2. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    As was mentioned earlier by KG, it most likely can have more or all to do with Green. In honesty he's looked like **** lately, even after his medical condition was said to be remedied. That last fight of his on ESPN he not only looked bad against questionable comp., he was back to doin that **** of lookin at his shoes every 20-30 seconds.
     
  3. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Not necessarily. No one really knows Joppy or Green. So when building up the opponent for Bute (to make Bute look good) they might be looking at what they can say to make this guy look good. Green, as good as he is, has done nothing. The best fighter he has fought is Miranda and he has held no titles. Joppy on the other hand is a former champion who has fought 3 legends and Taylor. No one is going to know or care that he is shot.
     
  4. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Right...so we're back to padded records, circle jerking and hyping up American fighters because "they're good ol' boys!". And then they try and sell us those crazy p4p lists, etc.

    Gimme a break! Now you know why they picked Joppy! Because he's a has-been AMERICAN NAME. Unless they play the game, Bute ends up like Calzaghe...having to fight frigging Manfredo at 35 to become known in the US of A.
     
  5. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    No one is going to know because this fight is not being aired in the USA. :good
     
  6. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    this is exactly how they are spinning it.

    honestly they simply made the best they could with the shitty options they had
     
  7. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You can't blame America soley for this. Everyone here seems to argue that fighting in America is not necessary to make a big name for yourself. So pick a better opponent and don't fight on American TV.
     
  8. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    :huh :lol: Easy buddy, I was just throwing out an alternative to why they may not have wanted to pay for it that was no fault of Bute's.
     
  9. bumdujour

    bumdujour Well-Known Member Full Member

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    so if this fight is not being aired in the USA...........why then the american opponent??

    there are tons of good fighters available at 168...........and joppy is not one of them.

    if bute once respect among the boxing public, he should avoid making defenses like this.
     
  10. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well now....if they aren't fighting on American TV, then this is in Bute's court. He had no need for an American name if it's not being sold to an American audience. He could have fought a higher rated fighter.
     
  11. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    I am not blaming America! I am saying: you have to play the game of the Americans to make a big name for yourself, rightly or wrongly. That's where the big-$ fights are made, that's where the recognition comes for, on the whole, if you don't want to play ball, you're nothing.

    So, they're having Bute play the game, to get in. This is my point. This is why they chose Joppy. Would have rather had Green but US TV is saving Green for the casual fan.
     
  12. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    I know! I am not arguing with anyone here! Certainly not with you!:D :good
     
  13. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well this is all true. But they don't need Joppy if the fight is not on US TV IMO.
     
  14. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Because unless you fight American opponents, no way are you going to get a shot at Taylor or Pavlik, and no way are you going to gain recognition, whomever else you're fighting, no matter how good they are. (See Calzaghe and Kessler, for example).
     
  15. bumdujour

    bumdujour Well-Known Member Full Member

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    so you are implying that fighting a shot joppy OFF US tv will get bute noticed in the states:yikes