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Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Ambition_Def, Jul 4, 2007.


  1. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    I AM a Margarito hater, but as always, I provide hate with a well backed up argument and not just hate itself.

    Cotto is elite, he dealt with a factor that would normally give him trouble in Zab's speed and had a gameplan, then he proceeded to give a game Zab a thrashing and also took Zab's best on the chin without dropping, even though he was stunned.

    Zab's an extremely hard puncher, harder than Clottey, Quintana, Margarito and he sneaks shots in very well.

    Zab's not well regarded due his string of losses, but it doesn't change that Cotto thrashed a game Zab better than PBF did, and he did it with a proper gameplan and showed multiple dimensions.

    Margarito poses no threat to Cotto, Cotto will move in, land viscious fully planted shots on a slow starting Margarito and Margarito's offence will be negated before it starts, and even if it did heat up a bit before Margarito gets destroyed within my projected 5 round area, it poses little threat to Cotto because he doesn't hit overly hard and he's inaccurate and sloppy.

    Cintron was stopped in 5 by Margarito, but Cintron IS not anything special, him IMPROVING and then STRUGGLING with a light hitting gate keeper in Estrada is a CEMENTED statement about what Cintron really is, not that I couldn't have told you that pre-Margarito, in which I did tell people that on here.:lol:
     
  2. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    You just fired back direct proof of all of my points!:lol:
     
  3. MSTR

    MSTR More Speed Than Roy!!!!! Full Member

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    I think Paul Williams is a tough fighter and will give him a lot of credit for the win. Paul will have big problems with shorter fighters who can get inside, but on the same token can be a stylistic nightmare for others. I think that Marg is part of the second group, and If he can adapt and win he will prove IMO that he is more well rounded as a fighter then before, and has the ability to perhaps beat some of the top guys. If Marg wins here impressively, I would pick him to beat Hatton and maybe even Mosely, but not Floyd or Cotto.
     
  4. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    Outright calling a champion **** and saying he has no skills is not a well backed up argument. Nice try though. :rofl

    So by this standard is Carlos Baldomir also elite? He too beat Zab Judah. And I suppose we should give Terron Millet and Rafael Pineda honorable mention, seeng as how they had life and death fights with Zab.

    Face the facts, Zab Judah is a very small welterweight who really only lived up to 147 potential when he fought pillow-punching Cory Spinks. He is far better suited for 140.

    I really don't know how anyone could believe this, but whatever. He is fast and he sneaks shots in very well, but punch harder? I find that hard to believe.

    Zab Judah is as overrated as they come. What does it say about a man when he loses to 10 to 1 underdogs? Struggling to scrape by guys like Rafael Pineda and Terron Millet?

    Now I figured that Zab would give Cotto problems, because to be quite honest with you I've suspected Cotto for the hypejob ever since Corley shook him bad. But 2 well placed low blows solved that problem early on.

    This is laughable, seriously. You don't understand a lick of boxing and it shows.

    If little DeMarcus Corley can rock Cotto, as well as Torres, there is no reason to believe a big welterweight like Margarito can't.

    He knocked Estrada out. So what he doesn't have Shane Mosely's mobility or handspeed. That is irrelevant. Everyone gets by in a different way. And the way he got by was in knocking Estrada out. Shane didn't do that, so lets stop comparing the wins here before you get owned again.
     
  5. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Zab's a hot and cold fighter, however, he came into the Cotto fight at an even better training camp and fitness level than he did for Mayweather and even a little better then Spinks 2.

    If you don't understand what a hot and cold fighter is, then I can't even be bothered in going forward.

    And YET again, you go back to using paper rankings and officialities as a way to completely ignore my accurate assessment of Margarito's abilities, you call on my boxing knowledge, when I am providing more of a technical argument than you are.

    You are providing a fanboy argument, I am providing a technical assessment argument, albeit from an admitted negative point of view.
     
  6. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    So the real Zab Judah showed up for Cotto, but not Baldomir correct? I guess we should just start calling him Dr. Zab and Mr. Judah. Biased arguments truely do need double standards to survive. :yep

    I understand what Zab has never been, and that is consistent over 12 rounds. I also understand that when the going gets tough, he folds. He goes into a shell.

    Hardly. I don't need to look at paper to know that Cotto will struggle with Margarito. Not at all. The sheer fact he has been on rubber legs in several of his most recent outtings is proof. The fact that he is a smaller framed welterweight who needs to plant his feet to throw is another factor here. He is not overly fast BECAUSE he has to plant his feet before doing any damage. In nearly all of his fights he has stood ground and traded punches. He will lose when he tries that with Margarito, it is a guarantee.

    Again, saying a guy is **** and has no skills is not a technical argument. It is a fool's argument. Come with material or don't come at all. :hi:
     
  7. MSTR

    MSTR More Speed Than Roy!!!!! Full Member

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    Good posts. How can anyone believe that Marg will beat Cotto is beyond me. Marg will fight him toe 2 toe, and Cotto is the shorter man with the tighter and harder punches. Margs long body will be broken down quickly and then the head will fall. Cotto is improving with every fight. People always point out getting rocked, but the fact is he went on to viciously knock out his opponents. Much better then getting beaten by Daniel Santos, a B level fighter at best. Santos didn't even look that good in that fight BTW. Marg just looked very ordinary. he is very one dimensional and I believe/hope that Williams will expose him. If not, then Cotto can finally derail the hype train.
     
  8. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    Good posting, Ambition. I wholeheartedly agree.

    At MSTR: Cotto-Margo will be an all-out war - have no doubt.
     
  9. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    I'm hardly a Margartio fan, however I believe Cotto would have a hard time beating him. Cotto has won his fights by overpowering his opposition and showing a lot of heart. I can't see Cotto overpowering a bigger, stronger Margarito, who is a very gutsy fighter himself. Marg isn't highly skilled, but he never gets tired, and it's very hard to hurt him. A polished boxer would give Margarito all types of trouble. However, Cotto is not a polished boxer. If Cotto went in there trying to brawl with the bigger, stronger man he would be in trouble. If you watched the Urkal fight, Cotto's punches didn't seem to hurt Urkal all that much(his corner threw in the towel because they were pissed at the ref, not becasue their guy was hurt). Luckily for Cotto, Urkal's punches can't break wind. Marg has some pop behind his punches and he's strong enough to take Cotto's best shots