Ngannou vs Fury: who deserved to win?

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Who deserved to win?

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  1. Ngannou

    59.7%
  2. Fury

    31.2%
  3. Draw

    9.1%
  1. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I had a similar to CST scorecard:
    Round 1 Ngannou 10-9
    Round 2 Ngannou 10-9
    Round 3 Ngannou 10-8
    Round 4 Fury 10-9
    Round 5 Fury 10-9
    Round 6 Ngannou 10-9
    Round 7 Ngannou 10-9
    Round 8 Ngannou 10-9
    Round 9 Fury 10-9
    Round 10 Ngannou 10-9

    97-92 Ngannou.

    The first round was a swing round though and could go any way. So you can have it either 7-3 or 6-4.
    And absolutely worst case scenario is 5-5 with a KD, and still Ngannou won based on that KD.

    Ngannou clearly dominates the fight, and landed the hardest punches, clearly hurt Fury in multiple rounds, floored him, and clearly was the strongest looking guy in every exchange, every clinch, and Ngannou actually controlled the fight.

    This is how you score a fight. Fury was scared to throw punches at some point. He was getting countered at will.
     
  2. Jab in the Face

    Jab in the Face Well-Known Member Full Member

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    1 point either way was the correct score card. I like damage over jabs but most judges go the other.
     
  3. ArseBandit

    ArseBandit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If the roles where reversed, and it was Fury who floored Ngannou, landed the cleaner harder shots throughout with Ngannou technically landing more but mostly jabs and glancing blows, would Ngannou have got the decision? No, no he wouldn't have.

    It was a robbery, an expected one, but the lineal championship should be in an MMA fighters hands right now.
     
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  4. jauseptt

    jauseptt Active Member Full Member

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    Now they can have a rematch for even more money, kinda makes you wonder if that's what Tyson fury really wanted.
     
  5. Dementia Pugulistica

    Dementia Pugulistica Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Fury won the fight. People giving Ngannou too much credit. Happens all the time when an underdog overachieves. Ruiz should push for an Ngannou fight.
     
  6. MrPook

    MrPook Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fury technically won.

    I really think Fury showed up with the mindset it was going to be a sparring match.

    That first real clinch Fury is talking to Ngannou like ok easy now let go now I won’t hurt you I promise. Still in the frame of mind he has to carry Ngannou.

    Then I believe in the second round Ngannou throws that uppercut and Fury looks at him like you ******* we were supposed to take it easy right?

    Fury took it as a show fight but Ngannou showed up wanting to make a name for himself.
     
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  7. vargasfan1985

    vargasfan1985 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Draw? How? There was a KD.
     
  8. West of Hollywood

    West of Hollywood Active Member Full Member

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    If you gave Fury 5 rounds, Ng 4 with one knockdown, and one round even its a draw. That might be an actually fairly legitimate way to score the fight.
     
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  9. West of Hollywood

    West of Hollywood Active Member Full Member

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    ESPN boxing had a similar take: "Everyone thought it was just a cash grab except Ngannou." I know I am making excuses for Fury but I don't think he was in the mind set at all for a real fight. He thought it would be a glorified sparring session, they would play nice with each other, and he would waltz to a comfortable decision. Ngannou is powerful, big, and strong and did want to make a name for himself. Fury didn't wrap his brain fully around this. I really believe that if Fury prepared for a real fight he would have won a fairly comfortable decision that few would dispute. Ngannou reminds me of Oliver McCall without the mental issues. Ngannou has an iron chin and keeps plodding at you throwing hard punches. It's hard for anyone to deal with this kind of fighter especially when he is prepared and determined.
     
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  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Nobody deserved to win, it was terrible.

    Most ringsiders seem to have given it to Fury.

    Both the survey sites (Eye on the Ring, Boxrec) have the fight for Fury. The average Boxrec card is actually quite wide for Fury. Punchstats have him landing more shots and fewer power punches.

    It "feels" like a Francis victory maybe because he had the big moment, but I thought Fury won more rounds.
     
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  11. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    This is big from Fury fan. Explain us the guys at ringside scoring it for Fury???
    As a lot of people actually had Ngannou winning the fight and its actually a lot of Boxing people. Froch has Ngannou, Carl Frampton has Ngannou, Spencer Oliver who ia huge Fury fanboy also had Ngannou winning.

    If Fury actually won, one of the judges would have never scored the fight for Ngannou.
    Ot would have been a clear UD.
    Fury clearly and i mean clearly lost.
    Compubox stats are b.c as Fury never landes 70 punches on Ngannou and he never landed 30 power punches. You can prove me wrong with footage.
    You don't score a fight based on compubox and especially not when the stats are literally so close, aka 11 punch difference.
    Their face though is telling a good story. Ngannou is like he was not in a 10 round fight and Fury face is a complete mess.
     
  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I am sick of Fury and his BS. I thought he was awful on Saturday and want him to retire. It was an embarrassing performance. I'm not a Fury fan and you have to be waaaay over the other side of the dial to feel that way reading my post. The only bias on display here is yours.

    If you give me their scorecards or the source of their scorecards I'll add them to the list.

    I disagree, and completed scorecards are something approaching 50-50 in the wider world.

    https://boxrec.com/en/scoring/3063670
    https://www.eyeonthering.com/boxing/tyson-fury-vs-francis-ngannou

    22-7 cards on EOTR for Fury, huge difference, an absolutely even split on Boxrec (0.4 in favour of Francis this check but basically these 400 cards come out a draw - i'll keep an eye on it).

    No, but you can prove the punch stats wrong with footage if you like.

    Absolutely not, that goes without saying I hope - it's just a tool. I scored the fight by rounds and I thought Fury won by a point. I don't insist upon it, and I think those who had it a win for Francis are fine, obviously. Good that you have a similarly open mind :lol:
     
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  13. Hyland

    Hyland Pimp C's Father Full Member

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    Ngannou won easily.

    Furysexuals who give rounds to Fury won't tell you or describe how Furys game plan of hugging and switching stances failed completely.

    Any moment in the clinch, Ngannou was composed and landed hurtful shots where as Fury was desperate to land sloppy grazing shots not even at a high frequency. If you want inside fighting mastery, watch a Subriel Matias fight. Fury is a circus clown from the UK who got gifted throughout his career despite being a mental cokehead who uses steroids and cheats as much as anyone in the history of HW boxing.

    Fury was fighting to survive and avoid any exchanges. He did a **** job at it because Ngannou was making Fury miss alot. Compubox be lyiny but Fury grazed Ngannou at best. Furys best strike was his illegal elbow. Those moments in the clinch, Ngannou would await for Fury to telegraph and punish him) Furysexuals wont tell you ab I t Ngannous work to the body. Ngannou was fighting to win.

    Furysexuals won't count the illegal elbow despite how much they would be crying right to call the fight off in a dq if Ngannou elbowed Fury once.
     
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  14. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    All cards may be bias butI've got to say to you that you are literally dismissing cards that are contrary to your position because they are produced by boxing people and therefore there's nothing to be gained by you and I continuing to talk. I mean what else does it leave?

    Yeah, I like cards. I don't like polls. Almost everyone I know who didn't score the fight, had it for Francis. People who have produced scorecards tend to have it close and also tend to fall on either side of the aisle. I literally haven't spoken to anyone who didn't score the fight who thinks Fury won.

    Card is a must.

    That said, I agree that Fury fought afraid. It's not evidence that he didn't reasonably score six rounds though. What I definitely am interested in is people who have produced scorecards that were ringside. If something was going to persuade me that I mis-scored the fight and should look again or am way off, it would be a majority of scorecards from ringside seeing it for Francis. But any close card, basically, is fine with me. I don't see Francis cards as "wrong".
     
  15. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    So the split on Boxrec is even, but actually in favor of Ngannou if i understand correctly, right ? A Boxing site,people vote for Ngannou, this tells you the whole story.

    You also seems to ignore the facts that don't suits you. Like Fury literally looks like a beaten man. There is no better evidence then the fighter looks after the fight. And your guy, cause from what i see so far from you, yeah you are his fan. You were defending this fraud through the entire time with his ducking on Usyk. It's not like i forget the discussion we had.
    But here is the deal i got no problem with you. You are 100% decent poster, and i had no problem with you that you are Fury fan.
    Everyone can support whoever they like.

    But here is the fun part. Twitter, and Michael Benson one, where the news are, and it's a UK thing. There was like 10 polls so far, and every single one, most of them between 2k. and 5k. vottes, Ngannou had a lead in every single one of them, and it was at least 60% in his favor.

    You don't like polls, cause they don't suit your agenda this time, this is the reality.

    You are bringing compubox, but compubox is 2 people clicking buttons. And they could very well be biased. And guess towards who are they going to be biased.

    If Fury was to actually won the fight, the scorecards, especially the 1 that was for Ngannou and the other one that give the fight for Fury with 1 round, would have never been like that. They would have been wide for Fury.
    SD speaks volume.

    The public in the arena speaks volume. They booed the cards that was for Fury and cheered the one for Ngannou.
    Or you are telling me, they wasn't in the arena?

    You are asking who in the ringside, and i literally you gave you 3 names, Frampton, Spencer Oliver, and i don't know if Froch was there, but he had Ngannou as well. Chris Eubank also have Ngannou.
    If you look at Youtube and some ex-boxers that have channel they also have Ngannou. Every single one of the MMA guest in the studio have Ngannou.

    You will now say that, eh you see they will say that, cause they are from MMA, but i can use the same excuse for the Boxing one, even though some of them actually had Ngannou winning.

    You are a decent poster i know that, and you said that you had Fury winning by 1 round, right?

    Tell me what should have the corrupt referee do in that situation ?
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    This is 100% intentional, 100% illegal and in the best case scenario for Fury, this is 1 or 2 point deduction.

    So by your own card, the fight is a draw.
    Should i even bring the illegal spear Fury hit Ngannou, and the constant clinching, holding and trying to wrestle in a Boxing match, where this is illegal, but he always gets away with it ???

    If Fury was to actually win the fight, why is everyone S****** on him ? Every single person knows he got beat, destroyed, embarrassed, and literally destroyed Boxing reputation. First with what happen on the ring and second with the corruption.

    And btw if he was to win, why his body language, his face, was for a clear loser? Why he run from the back door ??? Why they canceled the post-fight press conference ??? Winners don't do that.

    He is scared to show his face. He has done 1 media, but it was pre-made b.c., aka with scripted question.

    As far as the fight goes.
    You could very well win the fight with your jab, you can dominate the fight with your jab. But Fury jab was nonexistent in the fight. It was weak, didn't do any job, didn't stop Ngannou, wasn't fast, wasn't powerful, was missing all night long as well.
    On top of that, it was arm punches that prolly not even touching Ngannou. Compubox can't tell you that.

    Ngannou clearly landed the cleaner punches, the heavier punches. Ngannou tactics/strategy clearly was the one working, aka he impose his game plan. Ngannou was also the one who dictated the fight, as Fury was scared to dead to throw after tasting Ngannou power.

    Also Ngannou landed all the clean hard shot, and every single one hurt Fury. And Fury didn't even make him flinch for once, even with the illegal elbow.
    And while fight are not judged by how the guy face look after the fight, this clearly shows who the beaten guy was:
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    And the winner:
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