Nick Diaz vs. Josh Koscheck?

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by Rob_Floyd, Oct 28, 2012.


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  1. Rob_Floyd

    Rob_Floyd Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's certainly a possibility. An interesting fight, as well.

    http://mmajunkie.com/news/31282/ufc...ghts-with-diaz-maia-others-in-2013-return.mma


    I know that it is popular belief that Diaz is in for a rough night against any competent wrestler, but I think that's one of the biggest myth's in MMA. Fact is, Nick Diaz has never been completely shut down by any wrestler than he has faced. It is a myth stemming from his first UFC run, where he lost to Diego Sanchez and Karo Paryisian, who both won narrow decisions by simply being the fighter on top, for the most part. A lot of dummies seem to think he was handily outwrestled by Sean Sherk, but they clearly haven't seen the fight. Nick stuffed up to twenty takedowns in that fight, and even landed a couple of his own. Unfortunately for him, he was so focused on the TDD aspect of the fight, that his striking suffered, and Sherk scraped by on the judges scorecards, although it would have been fair to give Nick the nod in that fight, just as it would have been fair to give him the nod against Riggs and Karo in his first UFC run.

    In reality, Nick has one of the most active guards in the game, and it is just impossible to simply LNP him. He will always be working for submissions and sweeps, and trying to exploit small openings. But, we live in a world where the guy on top is pretty much always considered to be the guy with the upper hand, and the judges often neglect to acknowledge guard work. That's the only thing that scares me if this fight does go down.

    On the feet, Kos is pretty much a one trick pony with his wild overhand right. He does throw some high kicks, but his arsenal is very limited. Nick should definitely have the advantage there, utilizing his reach and work rate. However, I don't really think Kos will want to keep it standing, and will test his luck in Nick's guard.

    I'm done.
     
    Rob_Floyd, Oct 28, 2012
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  2. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    It makes sense. Koscheck is the most over qualified gatekeeper (but no chance to ever get above that now) and, if he chooses to, could give Nick hassle by stifling him with his wrestling.

    But he'll probably just try and swing right hands at him and get beat up.

    Interesting, but if Diaz loses his top flight chances are done.
     
    Flea Man, Oct 28, 2012
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  3. Peter__1987

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    Over 5 rounds Diaz would grind him down. Damn i'd love to see Nick lay a beating on Koscheck!
     
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  4. greathamza

    greathamza Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wrestlers has been a problem for him in the past but i dont see Diaz losing this one
     
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  5. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It´s now or never for Diaz.....
     
    Vic-JofreBRASIL, Oct 28, 2012
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  6. The Prodigy

    The Prodigy Member Full Member

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    I think the Kos Vs Diaz fight would also give a good indication of how Nick will cope with GSP's wrestling - if he cant beat Kos, then I dont give him any chance against GSP at all. If he handles Kos' wrestling and takedown attempts with ease, then it makes his title shot against GSP all the more interesting.

    Also the pre fight trashtalking would be on another level:rofl
     
    The Prodigy, Oct 29, 2012
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  7. BobDigi5060

    BobDigi5060 East Side MMA Full Member

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    This, I'm a strong believer in a fighter remaining competitive and I don't think Nick Diaz could ever be champ at WW. Kos handles him.
     
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  8. Speechless

    Speechless Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This could be the most interesting matchup UFC's had in a long time.
    Honestly, the only thing that will come close to the actual fight itself would be the pre-fight trash talk. This would be awesome for many different reasons - and stylistically this makes good sense. I think I'd give Diaz the advantage both on the feet and on the ground easily. He is his own worst enemy though, so the only person likely to sabotage this matchup is Diaz himself. This dude can't go a month without making a career limiting move. It won't be long until his antics will no longer be tolerated or justified by his abilities.
     
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  9. Peter__1987

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    Disagree. the UFC has suffered a dip in viewers/ppv losses recently, they NEED people like Diaz, a character outside the ring and a warrior in it. his place is safe
     
    Peter__1987, Oct 29, 2012
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  10. rusty nails

    rusty nails Tszyu for PM!! Full Member

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    mayhem disagrees
     
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  11. The Spider

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    I like the sound of this one. A very willing affair, and Josh will never die wondering.
     
    The Spider, Oct 29, 2012
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  12. Speechless

    Speechless Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I would agree with this in the short term, only because UFCs in a slump, which I feel is temporary. But when things go well, I think the bosses won't tolerate it. When egos get involved, sometimes good decision making loses out.
     
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  13. Peter__1987

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    Look at Mayhem's last couple UFC performances then look at Diaz's fight with Penn, apples and oranges.
     
    Peter__1987, Oct 30, 2012
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  14. Stoo

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    Good fight, could be a re-run of the Sherk fight years ago though
     
    Stoo, Oct 30, 2012
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  15. Haggis McJackass

    Haggis McJackass Semi-neutralist Overseer Full Member

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    Problem for Diaz is that he is operating on a short rope because of his habit of ****ing the UFC over due to being a moron. He's just a crappy employee, they can't rely on him for ANYTHING. He can't be a coach on TUF, and he can't be a fighter they can use as a face of the company. You can't organize anything around Diaz without constantly stressing that he's going to suddenly **** it up at any time for no reason. That's OK while he's winning, but once he gets a bad loss and fan interest in him dies down, he quickly becomes very expendable. There are plenty of guys who will fight balls out and show up at the press conferences. :lol: :good

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