Nicolino Locche vs Zab Judah 2001 @ 140

Locche has better defense than any of those guys you mentioned and is a greater fighter than any of them too.

Tell us more about how great Zab is against boxers, starting with his performance against Chop Chop Corley, who you'll have us believe, will out perform Locche, because he at least got a split dec. against Super Zab.

(Waits with baited breath for some lame reply like Chop Chop was a southpaw - totally ignoring the fact that he is about 3 levels below a shot Nicolino Locche).

Oh and did Zab win more than about two rounds against Cotto? News to me.

 

Locche for me most definitely, when discussing the ultimate outcome there can only be one choice imo.

 

1. Loche greater than Mayweather now? Loche is great but he hasnt faced a great fighter. If Loche was doing the same thing as Zab he would have faced Napoles, Griffith, Cokes, Arcari, Duran, Buchanon etc, but he never faced his contemparies in the same way Zab did, how would Loche have done? We don't know. Zab could have sat on his IBF belt for 4years if he didn't unify himself

Loche didnt have a better defense than Mayweather, and some had Judah winning 5rounds against PBF (I had him winning 3). And Loche's offensive capability is near that of Mayweathers, neither is his speed/stamina/workrate

2. Spinks defense isn't as refinned as Loche's but as a 6'0 welterweight its equally hard to land on him and thats why Spinks should be middleweight champ right now. And Spinks ofcourse has the better jab and move ability in comparison to Loche, and Spinks is also faster than Loche. Did I mention you could make a very good case that Spinks only real loss is to Judah?

The Corley fight was a clear win but not Judahs best performance and we are talking about the best versions

3. Judah won plenty more than 2 rounds against Cotto, he dominated the first 2 nearly having Cotto out and took another 2 or 3 rounds through the fight, stop trying to make it seem like your prediction of Judah winning only 2rounds against Loche is anyway justifiable. And this was a older innactive Judah

 

Loche by UD

 

Locche frustrates and outclasses Judah to win by decision although stopping a tired and annoyed Judah is not out of the realm of possibility.

 

Locche would get Zab so upset at not being able to hit him claenly, he'd be chunking stools (both kinds maybe) at him.

 

Loche by DQ.

 

i actually watched judah/cotto a couple days ago. judah won the 1st round, lost the second, won the third, and at best (AT BEST), won only 1 more which was the 7th.

you could make a case cotto won all but 2.

 

Yes, he is.

Hilarious claim, especially given the way you dick ride guys like Mayweather, who has fought 1 great under circumstances where the great was not at the top of his game and Mayweather might even have lost to the great he fought.


Locche fought Antonio Cervantes (someone better than Floyd has ever fought) and put a CLINIC on him. Not a split dec, not having to adjust after 4 rounds, not having to run to survive, he absolutely clowned him whilst standing no further than a metre away from him all night. The day Floyd does that to a Cervantes level opponent, you be sure to let me know it.

Locche also fought Carlos Ortiz someone WAY better than Floyd has ever fought, and whilst the prevailing thought is that Ortiz won, it's a hell of a lot better than the prevailing thought being that you lost to Jose Luis Castillo.

Locche also fought Ismael Laguna, another great fighter who he fought and matched pretty much on even terms. Laguna, at the time he fought him, was better than anyone Mayweather has ever fought.

Locche fought Eddie Perkins, a man who has a win against the great Duilio Loi and arguably beat Jose Napoles, to say nothing of many other good fighters.

I could also add the fact that he fought Joe Brown, even though Brown was washed up, he was a great fighter, which contradicts your statement that Locche has never fought any greats.

So Zab has faced all his contemporaries? Then why didn't he face Sharmba Mitchell, Shane Mosley, Vernon Forrest, Ricky Hatton, Antonio Margarito, Ricardo Mayorga, Vivian Harris, Andrew Lewis, Paul Williams and Oktay Urkal?

For Zab to defend the IBF belt for years, he wouldn't have come close to compiling the resume that Locche did. As it stands, he hasn't come close to compiling the resume that Locche has. Locche's resume at the end of the day is way better than Judah's, and Locche didn't lose or nearly lose to any 40 year old Pinedas, Chop Chops and Carlos Baldomirs. Heck, Locche, until he got old, didn't lose any Cory Spinks or Miguel Cottos either.

The fact that Mayweather lost up to 5 to Zab, and arguably lost to the likes of Castillo is pretty much proof that his defense is not in the same league as Locche's. Floyd has better speed, not sure about stamina or workrate.

Spinks isn't fit to hold Nicolino's cigarette packet. He is responsible for some of the worst stinkfests of all time and had his fight with Taylor been made in the 60's or 70's, he probably would have been DQ'ed for running and not fighting. He did make Taylor look mediocre, I'll give him that much but otherwise he did virtually nothing and he definitely didn't win that fight.

As for Spinks only arguably having one loss, well he arguably has losses to Taylor, Judah, Pineda, Diaz, Piccirillo, Mayorga, Karmazin and Phillips, which more or less speaks of how mediocre he is.

What is the best version of Judah that you are referring to?

Which 2 or 3 rounds after the second did he win? Name the rounds. This should be interesting.

 

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2/3. Mayweather cleaned out 130, pay attention, Corrales/Castillo are better than anyone Loche has faced P4P. Judah is better than Cervantes, Hatton is better than Cervantes and Delahoya is better than Cervantes.
PS Cervantes was mechanical and a decent B Class level fighter, talk about desperation and Loche lost the rematch despite being past prime

4. Castillo has a better resume than Ortiz hands down, both are great fighters. And like you said Mayweather beat the bigger Castillo twice, Ortiz drew with the bigger Loche and deserved the win

5. Laguna is a level below Corrales/Castillo/Hatton/Delahoya - he was simply inconsistant without the same defining wins. And Loche only got the draw. Notice a patern here, Mayweather dominates his contemparies, Loche gets draws

6. Perkins was way past his prime when he face Loche and then and his career was made off beating an OLD past prime Loi. I'd like to see your source that says 'Perkins arguably beat Napoles'. Good win but against a past prime fighter much like Mayweather-CHernandez, although Hernandez was nearer to prime

Bottom Line - Loche didnt face the best of the best and didnt come off too well against the very best he faced

8. Zab has faced Mayweather, Tyszu, Spinks, Cotto, Clottey, Witter - all champions, 3 linear champions, is that not good enough?

9. Overall Loche is better/greater than Judah but I feel Judah has the style to take him. Judah's win over spinks tops any win Loche has on his ledger regardless. Judah could have sat on the IBF and picked on a few lightweights himself maybe beating Castillo/Corrales/Casamyor and taking it to the bank. Judah has also been getting outweighed by 10-15lbs on fight night at welterweight.

10. Loche hasn't fought anyone with Judahs speed, athleticism and reactions, this is my basis for Judah's advantage over Loche. Loche isn't on Mayweather's level, they have similar defensive techniques, with Mayweather being the more physically and offensively talented.

11. Now your bashing Spinks to make your point, Spinks outboxed and outlanded Taylor, it was clear, Taylor was the aggressor but he didnt land **** and I wanted Taylor to win. Spinks is a rightful 3weight champ (2 weight linear and beating 3 no1s in 3 divisions). And no no one got DQ'ed in the 70s for boxing and moving, ask Jimmy Young

12. Spinks clearly beat Pineda, Diaz and Piccirillo those are the worst robberies in recent years. He also clearly beat Taylor, most had him beating Judah (I didnt). Mayorga and Karmazin were clear wins unless you hate Spinks.

13. Maybe the Mayweather fight, although around the time of the Witter fight he threw way more leather and was more active

14. I havent kept a scorecard of Cotto-Judah, I made it and discarded it and aren't scoring it again, but Judah really hurt Cotto sometime after the mid rounds gave him that and another 1or2 to my memory. But Judah was innactive and on the wane round this time

 

I Love Locche.But Zab is no Paul Fuji....Zabs speed would be crucial in this.judah by ko

 

LMAO at Judah and Hatton being better than "B" level Cervantes.

Castillo "hands down" a better resume than Ortiz...

keep digging that hole.

 

Yeah,Thats offensive calling Cervantes B level

 

Ofcourse Castillo's resume pisses on Ortiz, especially if you want to give him a win over Mayweather, look who hes fought: Mayweather (twice), Stevie Johnston (no1 at lightweight TWICE), Bazan (ex-champ and top2 at 135), Prime Corrales (twice), Prime Cassamayor (arguably unbeaten), Prime Lazcano (just beat Johnston), Julio Diaz (future champ). Thats a very impressive resume and Ortiz resume doesnt come close.

A Level fighters are the best of the best, B+ a level below bottom tier P4P guys, and B are top5 types in their division or weaker P4P belt holders, not quite special enough to reach that next level.

How did Cervantes prove himself either in skills or resume to be above this level? Cervantes was very predictable, looked like a fool against Loche but wan't near great. Judah and Hatton would both stop Cervantes, they have too much variety and skill for him to deal with

 

Power Puncher, you're officially finished as a serious poster after that. One of the biggest loads of **** I've ever read in my life. You clearly just don't have a clue what you're talking about and are not nearly well versed enough to comment on the subjects you're debating on.