nino valdes vs big daddy bowe....

Bowe by brutal KO inside 4 rounds, 1 guy could fight the other couldn't too well

 

In fairness, Nino Valdez was a very good fighter. But I agree that Bowe is in a much higher class. My guess is that he stops him before the mid point of whatever scheduled round bout they'd be in..

 

Power Puncher once compared Valdez to a shorter Valuev..why do we still pay attention to his posts? If anything he's more like a slightly shorter Bowe.

Anyway, I think this would be an entertaining slug fest between two lumbering big men. Both guys could take huge shots and absorb sustained beatings. Both had good jabs, and hit extremely hard but ultimately perfered to carelessly slug at short range for some reason. Anyway, I think Bowe beats the lesser version of himeslf, probably after clubbing him down with several wild right hands...round 7 or 8 maybe.

 

Obviously I'm exaggerating for effect because there is a significant difference in their levels. Valdez just looks clumsy and uncoordinated to me, I suppose he has a decent overhand right and put together short punches, not much of an outside game, he has a jab but he certainly didn't use it to dictate range

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Do you think that's overrating him?

 

I think it would be a boxing fan's fight... As mongoose said, a good slugfest between two men who liked to trade. At the end of the day, the cards fall in Bowe's favor, but still an entertaining affair.

 

Those words are a bit strong. Good fighter, yes. Big, Strong, could hit like the kick of a mule, and had one of the best jabs in the division in his prime. Dangerous fighter. But he lost one too many times, and certainly lost too many big important fights in his career to be considered very good. His most impressive wins are his decision over a still very good Ezzard Charles in 53, and knockout of Hurricane Jackson. However, he refused to rematch Ezzard Charles, and that dropped him from the 1 spot. I do think Valdes should have gotten title shots vs both Marciano in 55, and Patterson in 58. Marciano would have broken down/dismantled Valdes late, but I think Valdes-Patterson is interesting since Patterson usually froze vs big punchers.


Valdes blew the most important fight of his career. Hot on a 10 fight win streak, the # 1 Valdes fought Archie Moore, who came in at a flabby 196lb for a final title eliminator, the winner guaranteed a shot at Rocky Marciano's title. With the fight even after 12 rounds, Valdes somehow let the 38 year old, overweight Mongoose outwork him, outough him down the stretch. Nino lost the fight, and lost his shot at Marciano.

 

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Anyone think that Ray Mercer vs Nino Valdez might be a better fight?

 

Yes...very good one Maghoo

 

Its a more accurate analogy than a smaller Valuev for reasons specified.

In terms of ability I think Valdez ranks nicely with other flawed near men like Ruddock and Lyle.

Bowe was a World Champion who despite not always looking pretty found ways to win the ugly ones guys like Lyle, Ruddock, and Valdez dropped.

 

This is a bit harsh. Out of shape or not, we are talking about Archie Moore. The greatest boxing brain of the 50s and if they had the title than would no doubt be P4P#1 at this time coming off knock out wins over the Champion Bobo, Johnson, and Baker. Valdez still fought him closely for most of the fight before getting schooled late..at least that's how its been described.

 

valdes had a stop start career that hadnt really got going. 1953 was valdes's breakthrough year. he had 8 fights in all and started the year getting out pointed 3 straight in 3 months against Archie moore, billy gilium and bob baker, his final fight of 52' was against harold johnson another points loss but image that? fighting moore and johnson back to back then losing a SD then getting edged out by bob baker then coming away from that to start a 11 fight winning streak that included beating ezzard charles, knocking out rated europeans neuhaus and karel syz and then blowing away new kid on the block tommy jackson? Valdes shows a lot of character to do this, its almost like those losing fights were an apreintiship he had to come through to make it as a contender. Alas, there was already too many miles on the clock to do much better after that point but had he been groomed from day one as an Olympian who knows?

I don’t know what the comparison would be for bowe to do this. Maybe when he was still a bit green and raw (about 1990) and bowe got say tim witherspoon, evander holyfeild, buster douglas and tony tucker over a four month spell how he would have got on? It might have broke him.
bowe was absolutely a sensation against holyfeild. he showed flashes before and nothing much after. The sloppy side of bowe v the best of Valdes is a 50-50 fight. there is no getting away from what a great fighter bowe was for that one fight though.

 

All I am saying is that if Valdes was really a great fighter he would have found a way to beat Archie Moore. After all, Valdes had all the advantages in this fight. Valdes was the higher rated bigger stronger younger fighter. A valdes win over Moore would have set up a super fight between him and Marciano. An amazing win by Archie Moore.

 

I don't think there is any pretense Valdez was a great fighter, magoo just said he was very good. I'm not going to argue semantics so I'll leave it that.

Truth is, Valdez's had two very strong runs that I think matches up or surpasses any other "Near Men" from history we can list.

The only hyperbole in this thread is the "coudln't fight too well" comment magoo was responding too..please. No fighter "who couldn't fight too well" is going to outpoint a rated Hall of Famer and knock out about 4 or 5 Ring contenders in his time. That's the best resume of a fighter "who couldn't fight too well" I can think of. He had some bad streaks but as pointed out, he was busy and fought everyone of note save Maricano and Henry.

May I also point out that the Valdez fight is the only non-controversial decision scored against Charles in this time. Even if he refused the rematch and by most accounts Charles gassed early looking for an early blow out, he got the clean nod over the Cobra unlike Ray, Walcott, Layne, or even Johnson.