No boxer shorter than 6 foot 4 inches would be favorite to beat modern super heavyweights

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  1. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    thats becos you dont think, dont assume others dont.

    though it has its moments of course, does cw.
     
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  2. john roberts

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    I agree over 225 was not his best weight he was slower, but the point I am trying to make is he still had a couple of decent fights around that weight, and past his best because it’s not just the weight you have to take into consideration it’s the lay off and the age, it’s no secret that Ali’s best years were not seen so all I’m saying is ALi in let’s say 68-69 with no lay off REAL PRIME weighing 220 would have seen a younger more active ALi carry that weight at similar speeds to the pre exile ALI 212-215 ALi. Now my other point is when you look at a David Haye at 220 against bellow he his ripped to shreds like a blown up body builder same as usyk will look same as Holyfield looked, now think to yourself if ALi trained with weights in the gym as long as them and took the same supplement ‘s or whatever they take how much do you think ALI would have weighed? Especially when you think ALI’S training was nearly all cardio designed to lose weight not gain weight (and we know muscle weighs heavier), A lot more than 220 so there for it makes sense he is a bigger framed man so let’s say his best weight is 220lbs in 68-69 27yrs or 28yrs old no inactivity(real prime) at that weight imo he would have too much speed and enough size to trouble these active heavies today if you don’t agree I understand but I can’t keep covering the same ground over and over again lol
     
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  3. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Haha! Dude he was barely ever if ever top 3 at Cruiserweight.
     
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  4. andrewa1

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    Wow. Luis, man. You made this post back in April of this year? The top SHW's "should receive no credit for beating 'small heavyweights' "? "They should only deserve credit for beating top skilled super heavyweights in their primes"? Quite the reversal from today. @Loudon how do you feel about Luis going from making this statement back in April, that no one under 6'4 would have over a 10% chance against modern top SHW's, to now saying that 6'3 Usyk should be the overwhelming favorite against all SHW's today?

    It would be funny to see the two of you get into it. No offense Loudon, I like you, but you have Luis's habit of letting an argument go idle, then responding a day or two later. I can out argue anyone over hours or days, but am usually not willing to take it into weeks. Again though, while I'm probably closer in overall outlook to Luis, you are a much better poster than him. You have a measure of self awareness that Luis lacks. I can see you admitting to error. And you are more good natured in your arguments.
     
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  5. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    I love debating both of you guys.

    You're both very passionate.

    I'm happy to let posts go idle for a while, as I know they'll get bumped at some point. Also, I'm busy at work and I don't have as much time as I used to have.

    I like Luis, but his exaggerated percentages can't be taken seriously. Nobody in their right mind would have given Mike Tyson only a 10% chance of beating Deontay Wilder. It's laughable. And now he's high on Usyk, he's now changed his mind.

    Did you see our Tyson-Douglas debate?

    He said that I was making excuses regarding Mike's training camp, and that Mike was at his best for the fight in Tokyo.

    I then asked him how Mike was able to have beaten Holmes so easily, and he replied that it was because that Holmes hadn't trained properly in camp. Ha!

    Luis is an entertainer.
     
  6. bandeedo

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    need more posts like these. too many of these posters lack self awareness, have no clue as to how they come across and how glaringly visible their bull**** is. they think their posts exist in a vacuum and nobody can see them as a whole.
    it's amusing to me how they let being wrong just roll of their back like it never happened, but also tiring.
     
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  7. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Yeah. Or even worse, try to make absurd or artificial distinctions to excuse their about face without owning up to it.

    I'll at least own up when I'm wrong. I thought Wilder would never be a legit contender, and picked him to lose to Audley Harrison and Stiverne I. I still rank him lowest among the Big Three, but if anyone pulls up old posts of mine ripping him, I'll admit I pegged him wrong.
     
  8. andrewa1

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    Yeah, those are not rationally consistent positions. You can't use an excuse for one fighter that fits your agenda, but not allow for the same for the fighter that doesn't fit your agenda. That is Luis's stock in trade, though.

    Personally, as you know, I believe very much in both the importance of size, and the overall progression, of HW's in boxing. But that said there is no way Tyson would only have a 10% chance against Wilder. That's nuts.
     
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  9. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    i feel the same. i actually go out of my way sometimes to point to things i was wrong about, its the only way to advance the debate towards truth. i went looking for the crow, regarding fury, because i wrote some things he proved me wrong about. im not so insecure that i cant freely admit it without feeling a lesser man.
     
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  10. The Long Count

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    How big is Povetkin I would make him big favorite over wilder.
     
  11. Red Hulk40

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    So what your saying is let's have a heavyweight division for Giants as anyone below 6ft 4 has no chance ?
    David Haye bet a Russian giant at 7 feet
    Nikolai Valuev !
     
  12. Reppin501

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    I disagree with the sentiment, but would agree it would take a special kind of fighter to do so. Today's heavyweights (generally speaking) aren't comfortable fighting on the inside and real body punching has gone to the wayside. If you have a true inside fighting, strong, quick, heavyweight that went to the body with bad intentions...I think he'd do well. These guys can afford to come in overweight and out of shape because heavyweights don't really pound the body anymore, I'd like to see how these dudes would hold up against someone who threw real hooks to the body.
     
  13. Salty Dog

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    Just like that, huh? :lol:














































































































































    :jaja-no:
     
  14. Heavy_Hitter

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    Riddick Bowe said it: a good big guy will always beat a good smaller guy
     
  15. Salty Dog

    Salty Dog globalize the Buc-ees revolution Full Member

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    And everything that Riddick Bowe says is gospel. I think dude is awesome, but cmon'. Hell, he got beat by Holyfield who is a smaller great guy.