No boxer shorter than 6 foot 4 inches would be favorite to beat modern super heavyweights

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  1. SuperPiccolo

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    Lol I agree with Tyson beating Joshua but you think Wilder is any better than AJ? He is a standout because he beat a 50 year old Ortiz? You Wilder fanboys. Mike Tyson would beat AJ, Ortiz, and Wilder in the same night.
     
  2. Luis Fernando

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    Okay! So how many times did Wladimir Klitschko lose to a boxer shorter than 6 foot 4 inches out of 69 bouts (the number of pro bouts he had)? How about Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder, Anthony Joshua and Vitali Klitschko? Go ahead! Give the number!
     
  3. Luis Fernando

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    So why are they the top 3 heavyweights and not the heavyweights shorter than 6 foot 4 inches? Maybe because skills are almost irrelevant and size, physical strength, punching power, height and reach are more important?

    Where are all those top heavyweights shorter than 6 foot 4 inches since 2000's (which was when the advent of skilled / top super heavyweights started)?

    Which shorter and smaller heavyweight that is shorter than 6 foot 4 inches has been greater than those super heavyweights (Klitschkos, Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder) I've mentioned since 2000?
     
  4. SuperPiccolo

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    Lol the point is they lost to fighters 6'3 and shorter. Who cares how the fighters who beat them careers turned out. If anything it shows how bad Wlad, Vitali, Anthony Joshua, and Wilder are. They lose to guys who were 6'3 so in your eyes short and not only that they lost to guys who were bums.

    What does a fighter being dropped or knocked out suppose to mean? It means they were knocked out by guys who weren't as tall as they were moron. That is what that is suppose to mean. What does them being 6'5 prove? It proves nothing but in your eyes you think it makes them elite. The average modern size heavyweight is between 6'2 and 6'6. So as long as you fit that range you are okay.
     
  5. Angler Andrew

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    Cause they’re already levels below,I don’t think the posters point was a poor big man beats a good small one.still comes down to skills at the end of the day,take away Povetkin getting rag dolled which was disgusting he was still getting rocked off Wlads jab alone and he had no answers other than charging at Wlad.
     
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  6. Luis Fernando

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    There's a difference between a top / skilled super heavyweight and a low skilled / low tier super heavyweight.

    A top / skilled super heavyweight is someone like the Klitschkos, Anthony Joshua, Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury.

    Whilst low tier / low skilled super heavyweights are the likes of David Price, Gary Cornish and etc.

    The top super heavyweights really don't need to be more skilled to beat smaller heavyweights (even if they're more skilled). Anthony Joshua didn't need to be more skilled to totally demolish Carlos Takam and he managed to beat Takam with ease, despite Takam being more skilled than him

    Whilst Alexander Povetkin is arguably more skilled than Anthony Joshua but had a much tougher time against the same Carlos Takam because he lacks Joshua's size.

    Size > skills in the heavyweight division!

    FACT!
     
  7. Angler Andrew

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    You ain’t mentioned Lennox either,no version of Tyson would of beat Lewis imo and that’s not a slight on Tyson just basic stuff,it’s like a Welterweight up against a Middleweight such is the difference in reach,height and weight.
     
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  8. ForemanJab

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    How do you know they have exactly a 10% chance? Have you gone through the laborious task of analyzing every fight in history between HW boxers above/below 6'4''?
     
  9. TJ Max

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    I think Wilder is a phenom talent. I don't think he's the best boxer, but he's a special athlete. Joshua is a lesser version of Klitschko with perhaps a better chin and maybe stronger.

    It's hard to say because he's so young. Joshua is nothing special to me.

    I think Wilder is a dangerous fighter in ANY era because he is in the same mold as a Max Baer. A massive puncher that can knock out ANY man in the ring. He is the most dangerous man in boxing.

    Ortiz IMO had the best skills. If Wilder had Ortiz' skills, Wilder would be considered one of the best fighters in history when all is said and done.

    Wilder STILL might be known as one of the best in history, so long as people can sell the illusion that is Joshua.
     
  10. ForemanJab

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    So Holyfield only had a 10% chance of beating Buster Douglas. Lucky guy.
     
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  11. TJ Max

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    I think Quai would beat Joshua from last night. How tall was Dwight Muhammod Quai? 5'9''???
     
  12. dinovelvet

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    Yes , it comes down to skills as a highly skilled fighter can use his lack of size to his advantage to get inside on the bigger man. This posters point is that no smaller man can beat a bigger man irrespective of skills. Hence why he believes Marius Wach would beat prime Mike Tyson by knockout.
     
  13. Angler Andrew

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    Lol I’m agreeing with you hence my 10% remark
     
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  14. Luis Fernando

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    Exactly! Tyson probably only wins once out of 10 times against Lennox Lewis.
     
  15. Jim Jeffries

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    It's not just that Povetkin is ''small'' relative to the current division. He's very predictable. If you compare him to someone like Sonny Liston with a great punch variety and natural strength it's night and day.

    The thing is if you're a ''SMART'' big super heavyweight. Why would you let a smaller man get inside when you have the height and reach advantage and keep him at bay with your jab?

    Tony Tucker went the distance with Tyson because he used his jab well albeit he still lost. It helped him go 12.

    Now Tucker wasn't elite. Wladimir post-Steward would use the jab infront of Tyson and get the W.

    Lewis used his jab, movement and clinch effectively vs David Tua.

    Holyfield was a blown up cruiser but he hangs with these fellas today without stringent drug testing. I think he'd beat Parker, Joshua and Wilder. His ring IQ is higher. Lewis wasn't just skilled his ring IQ was higher than these guys and that came from experience.