No Clay/Ali - Who's the first to beat Liston

Joe Frazier. Liston did not fight like Foreman, he used the jab more, Liston was more a boxer-puncher , Foreman pushed back Joe and it is why he could not work inside. The difference of size with Liston is much less, in Fact prime vs prime sometimes Liston and Frazier weighed the same. Frazier in his prime could avoid a jab pretty well with his move of head.
Quarry is other guy with good chance

 

Knowing liston, it could be a Tyson like upset and he loses to a big underdog like Terrell.

 

Liston ko's Frazier. He's all wrong for Joe

 

He would have fought Chuvalo next if he'd beat Ali.

I think that is a distance fight and George drops the decision of course but lands a lot of body shots. The kind that show up in the next fight--especially for an old heavyweight. So I think that guy beats Sonny---Terrell.

Or another Ali bout---Dundee would have had him fighting frequently and he'd be getting the scalps. 5 or 6 wins and he's right back in title contention. Those reflexes are not good for an older sonny Liston

 

It is a myth

 

I agree with Mr.Charlietf. I see Frazier doing the deed. As the above poster noted
though Liston possibly was just as strong as Foreman(According to Foreman from
sparring) He didn't fight with the physicality Foreman fought with. The pulling/pushing
maneuvering opponents into position the way Foreman did wasn't the way Liston
fought.
Liston was the typical boxer-puncher, fought behind his slow but powerful
jab, power in both hands, average foot speed. If prime Frazier can slip the
jabs of much faster fighters like Mathis, Ellis, Foster, and Ali, he wouldn't have
to much of an issue with Liston slower but much more powerful jab.
Liston did have excellent power in each fist with uppercuts and if he
he timed Frazier and caught him in one of his dips It could be a
short night for him.
But I see Frazier outworking Liston, landing at a higher rate
to the body and head, wearing him down,avoiding Liston's
exceptional arsenal for the most part winning a dec, or late
stoppage. But Liston could catch Frazier and blast him out of
their.... Fight is a fifty - fifty fight that probably comes down
to who's having the best night.

 

Ali's hernia which postponed the rematch really messed up Liston's drive and hunger.

 

No way in hell Frazier's beating Liston in '66. Wayyyy to green.

 

Frazier has a good chance considering Liston wasn't getting any younger. Close fight but Joe probably takes it late round stoppage

 

A very good conlusion. To be honest: All of them are unlikely to beat a prime Liston. It's all about how long Liston can keep this Level. In my opinion he will defend the Titel 6-10 Times untill his physically decline. Probably 66-68.

 

Maybe Quarry if it's an older less motivated Liston. Perhaps Terrel could spoil him as well. Id still have Liston the favorite.

Frazier was too green and it's already an uphill battle for the infighting Frazier even in his prime.

Without Ali its a safe bet Liston would only lose to old age/lack of motivation. The crop of fighters in the late 60's did not possess the combination of skill/toughness+athleticism to survive and convincingly beat a peak Liston. If he is still active in the mid to late 70's he undoubtedly picks up a few losses. The talent pool was much bigger and Liston would be in his late 30's.

 

But probably mid late 40's