No denying Pacquiao is great

Now thats a top 10 ignore list right there. need to hook that up

 

wrong again.

pac became superstar and p4p 1 while theftjr was retired.

theftjr had zero influenced on pac's ascencion superstardom, both in the box office and p4p rankings.

once he unretired, the talk about them fighting had benefitted both, not just one.


theftjr was the one who tried to smear pac;s name not pac (ped accusations, fighting his leftovers, racist rants), and definitely not *******s.


theftjr beating his own baby momma infront of his children, poking guards, his bodyguards/friends shooting on people, that his own doing.

theftjr was the one who started it all, and *****s followed suit soon after, now you are crying we are calling theftjr's career as we see it?

if you cant take the heat, get out of the kitchen. worse dont start a fire.:deal


lastly, no way in hell you can make a case theftjr being equal to pac in atg list. only the die hard *****s will make a case for that.

you cuddled theftjr feeding on bums because it made business sense (low risk-high reward remember) , now you want an award too?

if you want him to to as great as pac, you should have egged him to fight the best available fights like:
0. fought williams, martinez instead of retiring.
1. should have fought margarito, cotto, clottey before he got out of tr.
2.macne fight- should have honored the c/w.
3. fought pac osdt or no osdt, or agreed to the compromise of blood test cutoff.
4. fought drainelo at full limit of 154.
5. should have allowed madona use his preffered punchers gloves thats approved by the commission.
6. would have been better had he fought dela hoya and mosley closer to their primes. he might less control when to fight dela hoya, but mosley he had. right after beating dela hoya, he could have foguht mosley instead of hatton.


had he done this all, and beat all of them (even if he lost one except to pac), he wod be the fotd, and automatically the best of his generation and higher than pac in atg list.

he preferred money (at least that;s his excuse) over legacy, it's on him. dont blame everyone else.
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P4P#2 In my book.

 

I add Cinderella Girl to my ignore list.:good

 

"neither one would be as popular without the other."= both benefitted off each other.

you cant figure this out? im actually aggreeing with you.

i said, in the beginning, pac made it off via oscar, not theftjr.

but once oscar left and they were the ones paired, they both benefitted.

0. so you admit theftjr ducked williams? if he fought and beat willieams then maybe, but since he didnt, he should at least have fought martinez.

1.he could actually made more because he can still fight dela hoya and had he beat all those 3, he could ask for more from oscar.

this is why i said, money is the excuse, the real reason is he doesnt want to take risky fight, someone that has a real good chance of beating him, if not beat him up in a close fight.

there is always excuse he didnt fight x and y fighter who were perceived threats.

2. nope. what it proves is that he is really a small ww like he claimed and so many *****s claimed he is. instead he cant make the contracted weight.

well to be honest, i wasnt surprise. my thinking was, he signed the macne fight to avoid pac. he already knew pac was going to beat hatton. that was the first duck move.

if he was really interested in the pac fight, why not wait 24hrs before signing the macne fight?

3. he demanded the fight to be in march, pac wanted aug or sep because election was on may. pac agreed even though he just fough cotto in nov, he would only have few weeks of rest (one of several shits threw at the wall hoping something would stick)

he demanded fight be at mgm. arum agreed. they could at least take jones proposal and use it to make more money off mgm, sort of let the 2 outbid each other (another **** thrown).

obviously, shittier, theftjr, pokemon has side deal with mgm, still arum relented.

he tried to force pac not to use cleto reyes gloves. HE WAS DENIED. pac told him he will use his preferred gloves, and he can use his, which was fair. (another **** thrown but he had no legs to stand on even if it stuck. this is happening with the madona fight now).

he would have tried to cheat pac off weights but was denied by putting 10m penalty above 147 lbs. theft just made 146, this shouldnt be a big deal. this isnt a demand like the *****s like to make it. this is to make sure theftjr cant cheat him the way he cheated macne.

all theftjr has to do is come at 147 like he always do and he wont pay a penny. pac can put 1biilllion penalty and it wount matter.

pac agreed to random urine. if theftjr was concerned of making sure it was a clean fight, random urine was enough.

it;s clear that wasnt his intentions. he wanted to mess pac;s trainign up.

14day cut off isnt enough at that time because no one how the random blood will be conducted. they can drain pac 3x a day and still it would be random.

how the hell pac trains if he has problem getting blood drawn?

the cutoff ensures pac can train uninterruptively.

when theftjr couldnt drain pac, he used it to get out of the fight.
he since then been running from pac even if full osdt is already agreed which just proves he was never interested in a clean fight.

he wanted to drain pac and him getting juiced to the gills himself under the protection of usada TUE.

billing and who comes last in the ring are irrelevant to pac, pac said he can have them.


finally, he found one that stuck, and just like that he got out and never looked back.

4. IDIOT. pac and oscar were separated by 3 weight classes? has theftjr ever go up 2 weight classes?

pac wasnt settled at ww at the time he fought cotto, he weighed 138lbs prior and went up 7lbs. cotto dropped 2 lbs. that was a fair fight.

this isnt like thefjr who drained drainelo to a corpse when he is the sww champion having just fought at sww.

margarito was a career ww. and it was pac's 8th division. has theftjr fought in his 6th?

theftjr'\s career is like pac i after beating david diaz for his 5th division and never went up again, to put it in perspective.

that's how shitty theftjr's career compared to pac.

until theftjr steps up in his 6th division, you cant **** on pac fights in his 7th and 8th.

5. another idiotic comment.
madona wants to use his preferred gloves, a pucnher;s gloves which he normally use that are available commercially. these gloves are used by many and approved by the commision.

if theftjr has brittle hands and is using pillows to protect his hands, why do you punish guys who have no problem in their hands?

why would you disallow madona for using standard gloves approved by the commission?

6. the guy who fought hopkins would duck a featherfisted? and the guy who fought vernon forrest twice?

ike i said, theftjr might have little control of when he can take the dela hoya fight. obviously it was up to oscar, obviously he can press more, but im giving him a pass for it.

mosley, he can fight right after he beat oscar, he already has the leverage. he can offer mosley good enough money he cant refuse. this is on him.

and hmm, pac retired washedups and bums, not decisioned them. did you see the pac-mosley fight? mosley never figured to be in the fight at any point, just stunk the fihgt. that didnt even register on pac\s great wins.


see this the biggest problem with the *****s. they cuddled theftjr feeding on bums because it made business sense, low risk-high reward.

now, comes award time, you want to put him in the pedestal.

TBE? really?

you just admitted he is taking on low risk bums and washed ups and now he is the best ever?

AND LASTLY, THIS ISNT A ENGLISH/GRAMMAR FORUM. IF YOU WANT ONE, GO FIND ONE.

 

i agreed with you to the part where you were right.

lke i said, both benefitted from being paired with each other. this is the part where you are right.

but to say pac became a star because of theftjr, that's where you were wrong.


telling the facts aint bringing down.

accusing people of ped use then ran when sued, paid for it when you know you cant win, that's trying to bring people down.

keep telling the facts, *****s are kept in their places.

you have people here claiming madona needs special gloves for the fight, that's a complete lie.

and you re not correcting them, what are you then? are you not part of people trying to make theftjr looked good by lying, if youre not doint anything to correct it?


tbe?, wtf.

 

You really DKSAB !!!


And how many fights did Floyd have where guys had to come up ? I don't recall Gurrero being a top welter ! or Marquez or even Hatton !


When your boy Floyd fights anyone the equivalent of Bradley we can continue this discussion until then this is just going on circles !

 

Yo these posters are catching feelings that Cinderella Man has them on his ignore list lol. **** is hilarious

 

Those guys had won and were top 5 WW's! its true, if u dont know then u dont know boxing bro. just lay off the sauce.

Ortiz,Guerrero and Maidana is more then enough to compare and surpass bradley so just stop it. please get off bradley's nuts

its funny how u keep bringing him up but dont talk about his next fight thats just signed...i guess u dont like the fight either...to bad its not a WW

 

ortreez, guerreruo, madona is never gonna figure in pac;s best wins.

only idiot *****s like to hype them up.

plus, they never come close to a win like bradley who was regarded as top 3 p4p, in his prime, in the same division as pac.

*****s reasoning is like, if you beat 5bums, somehow it is better than beating a top guy.

this is absurd.

in the olympics, countries are ranked according to numbers of golds won, first and foremost.

1 gold weighs more than a thousand silvers. silver medal actually represents the loser of the 2 competing entities.


theftjr, trained since fetus = bronze, fail.

 

Please explain how anyone can claim and be a little serious about Bradley being a "top" ww.
I don't even know any ww he ever fought