No Prime SMW in the last 20 years Beats Prime Roy Jones...Nope

atsch Tell me when Jones fought a top motivated fighter coming in off good form who thought he could beat him like Tarver believed he could beat Jones. I cant recall any.
A fighter who truly believed he had Roys number beat him. G Johnson went in there with that belief and took Jones out. Glen was also coming in on good form and had belief and Jones got taken apart again.
Roy upped his comp and got beat. Fair play to him for trying

 

I think its funny that people act like Roy picked on poor inexperienced B.Hop.. B. Hop had a reported amateur record of 95-4...

When Roy fought B.Hop, they had virtually the same amount of professional fights, neither had title fight big title fight experience... B. Hop was even rated higher by the IBF at the time.:yep:deal

 

Yes, this is true.

 

May well have been, but do you think at that stage Jones would have been nearly KOd by Mercado? I dont.
We know Hopkins improved as he went on or else he would have handled Mercado, and Im shocked that you seem to think amateur and pro are the same thing atsch. Did Hopkins win a silver at the olympics also

 

Tarver gives Roy trouble any time due to styles... Though I think prime Roy outpoints him 8-4 or so..

Roy was never the same after dropping from HW in his mid 30s.. I don't care what anyone says about it, you can't change my mind.. Historically, this is a tough thing to do, only few have been successful.. It had much more to do with that than the level of competition..

Roy handled many fighters with ease on or above Johnson and Tarver's level.. Ill name a few..

Toney-obvious

Hopkins-obvious

Hill- I consider him on that level

Harding- beat Tarver, Jones fought him instead

Woods- Obviously on Johson's level

Griffin- At his best very good, rated very high by ring, never the same after getting sparked out by Roy...

Ruiz- Would beat Tarver and Johnson

 

I don't think amateur and pro are the same thing, it is a common misconception that Hopkins was a poor ex-con out of jail with no experience when Roy beat him..

Bernard was a very good fighter when Roy beat him... not his peak, but certainly better than the late LHW version, who can't fight 12 rounds.

And Roy won a gold medal, but was robbed.

 

This is a good point though...

Because Benn, Eubank, and Calzaghe would not have believed like Tarver did..

I have read statements made by them that more or less confirm it.

 

So you now think the Hopkins who beat Pascal and took Dawson 12 is not as good as the Hopkins being twice smashed down and nearly KOd by Mercado. Got it atsch

 

Toney-obvious, yeah I already told you, he looked lucky to many against Tiberi couldnt beat S Williams at first ask and lost to Thadzi

Hopkins-obvious, once again he couldnt even win a world title at next ask against MERCADO, thats not an ATG opponent

Hill- I consider him on that level - coming off a clear loss and a debateable SD before that atsch

Harding- beat Tarver, Jones fought him instead, well he was competing with Jones before he hurt his shoulder, so that proves that point, maybe without the injury he could have done more, but yes he believed and was competitive and look at what Harding did. Very little because he competed with Jones and then was brushed aside by a rejuvinated Tarver and handled by a confident G Johnson

Woods- Obviously on Johson's level - was shell shocked, had never fought for a world title and some dont think he ever beat Johnson

Griffin- At his best very good, rated very high by ring, never the same after getting sparked out by Roy..., was able to compete and ahead on a card, because he believed, so it shows when Jones is against confident comp he is not as good

Ruiz- Would beat Tarver and Johnson, probably they dont have the frames to carry at HW like Jones did, but so what.

NOW - It shows when Jones is against confident comp he is not as good and I still dont think any of those fighters believed in themselves like Tarver did, and it showed when Tarver fought Jones, but if Jones fought better fighters who also believe like Calzaghe, Eubank, Benn, Collins etc, chances are Jones would have been found wanting a long time ago

 

Toney and Hopkins are better fighters that Johnson and Tarver and accomplished more end of story...

Virgil Hill was still a good fighter when Jones beat him, and on Tarver and Johnson's level in my opinion... One of DM's best wins, less than a year before Jones broke his ribs..

Roy adapted in the Harding fight and punched Harding's shoulder forcing the injury.. have to give Roy credit for that..

Woods was 1-1-1 with Johnson... regardless of what people thought, he was on his level..

Griffin, again, Roy showed his ability to adapt, and was well on his way to a come from behind knock out when he was disqualified... Eliminated all doubt in the second fight.

Roy was not successful at HW because of his frame, he was successful at HW because of his god given speed and power.. He was fast enough to beat the much larger Ruiz to the punch, and hit hard enough to keep him honest hurt him early and made not want to risk getting tagged to get in close.. Tarver and Johnson would not fail against Ruiz because they lacked frame, but because they weren't good enough to compete at HW.

You need to give Roy more credit for the things he did, and not blame it so much on others' short comings. He was a great fighter, a 4 weight champion, and will be remembered as one.

 

Think Roy was a master but he could have been in trouble against Ward, Calzaghe and the 2 Iron chins: Kessler and Froch...

Roy needed real challenge at that time and I think todays top 5 supermiddle is really good boxers...

 

I will apologise Mindreader because I havent read this post properly and have been on another that I created, So I do apologise and will try and read it all later, but I did note that you said about Woods and Johnson being 1-1-1. Do you think Woods won that last fight or that the first fight should have been a draw because most seem to think Johnson should have won those. Now you are taken in by judges results and should watch the actual fights.
I bet you scored Whittaker/Chavez a draw also because its in the record books as one

 

I think Johnson got the better of Woods actually.. But my point is, they were close competitive fights, and neither fighter was on a higher level.

 

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