No sane person can dismiss my claim that Joe Calzaghe is the best boxer of all time..

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by China_hand_Joe, Nov 1, 2007.


  1. toffeejack

    toffeejack Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If he beats Kessler then he is certainly the best British boxer of all time without a doubt.

    He already is in my book but it should be quite clear to everyone after Saturday night. (Although I'm starting to get bad vibes about Saturday, something is telling me that Kessler is going to KO Joe I hope it's just nerves :?)
     
  2. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Floyd at 147 isn't even top 2. AT 135 he was a lot better. If you want to go by literal P4P than Floyd is a none issue at this time.
     
  3. MancMexican

    MancMexican Blood & Guts Forever Full Member

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    Joe himself has said he's the 2nd best super middle after Jones but if he beats Kessler then he will be. Kessler said that himself is the best super middle but admits he has to beat JC to prove it.
     
  4. FlatNose

    FlatNose Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No, beating Kessler would simply put Joe at #1 at 168 for today.The comparisons to Ray Robinson are ludicrous.Maybe comparing Joe to Roy Jones
    is more accurate.Both have records padded with second , third , and fourth raters, and a handful of good fighters, and a couple really good possibly great ones.Robinson fought more champions and top level guys in a given year than Jones or Calzaghe have fought in their whole careers.
     
  5. marting

    marting Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No sane person?

    This is like a guy in a padded rooom at an asylum wearing a straight jacket calling the doctor nuts.
     
  6. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes he did.

    That is why Robinson is the GOAT. He has that legacy.

    Calzaghe and Jones might perhaps be superior in pure boxing terms in their primes. There is no real way anyone can completely dismiss that suggestion. They can disagree, but everyone should be at least slightly open to the idea Jones (and Calzaghe of course) might be that bit better.
     
  7. HolgerD

    HolgerD Armscontrol Full Member

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    All sane persons suggest you stop smoking all that pot!!!!
     
  8. enquirer

    enquirer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Kessler has achieved nothing to be an elite, or a great and definately not an atg....You are just assuming he is elite,just like folks believed lacey was some elite.....The best fighter calzaghe has beat is an old eubank....
    Sugar ray leonard had better skills,heart,speed,p4p power and sugars resume from 79-82 alone dwarfs that of calzaghe and kessler combined...
    Man,there are ten boxers off the top of my head that are better than calzaghe,if not 30......
    And he could never ever beat prime jones at 168.....
     
  9. Sizzle

    Sizzle Active Member Full Member

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    This thread is a joke.

    A win over Kessler makes Joe a decent bet for top100, he's still short of top50 though.
     
  10. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He would have to be top 50, he is aboves the likes of Saddler in terms of ability and skill. I'm not talking about legacy here, just how good he was.
     
  11. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Give an example of Calzaghe lacking heart mate. I suggest you watch videos of the Reid, Ashira and Mitchell fights.

    And resume does not come into it. We are talking about skill not legacy.
     
  12. enquirer

    enquirer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    By the way,lennox lewis has a much better resume than calzaghe,and beat prime vitali at age 37....He was also undisputed champion and beat nearly every contendor and champ during his era.....
    You think calzaghe is even the best british boxer?
    Compare with jimmy wilde,LL,fitzimmons et al......
     
  13. MrMagic

    MrMagic Loyal Member Full Member

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    Not the greatest, but probably up there head to head.
    But seriously, he should've fought more reckognized fighters in his so called prime, because well... there was fighters out there to build a legacy on, RJJ, Hopkins, Tarver, Glencoffe, Taylor etc, etc...

    Regarding his skills, I'd like to point out that he may very well be one of the most talented fighters to have ever walked in a ring.

    If he had only had some fighters to build his legacy on, seriously..

    oh.. prime calzaghe vs pavlik -> Calzaghe early KO :yep
     
  14. _J_G_

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    Bluekipper ?
     
  15. 0-1

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    So hang on, this argument, that no one can logically deny he is a contender for GOAT, is based on the idea that he is better than he showed in his best performance to date?

    I'd like to submit that unbeaten Willie Thompson is the best of all time, being a lot better than he has shown!