No to pac/floyd vs martinez. Make him fight Bute instead

talking about these fights is stupid. pac weighed in at 144 for a fight at 150. isn't is obvious that the man didn't belong in the super welterweight division?

pac can still make 140 easily and asking him to fight a middleweight even at 155 is too damn much.

floyd and pac belong in the weterweight division. they tried out the super welterweight division for a combination of money, fame, and a title but asking them to go fight a middleweight is too much.

i think this reaction is a backlash from the fact that there are no big names in the middleweight division who can have a competitive fight against martinez so people are looking and the next best available talent in pac and mayweather.

what people should do is look up and ask for a fight between martinez and lucian bute. martinez is shorter but he has the longer reach and if he finds it hard to make 158, then he could easily weigh around 164 for a fight against bute.

Everyone's talking about pac-martinez and floyd-martinez but isn't martinez-bute a better matchup?

 

pac weighed in at 144 for a fight at 150 and mayweather weighed in at 150 for a fight at 154. isn't it obvious that those two do not belong in the welterweight division? much less the middleweight division?

hopkins is another case. dela hoya and trinidad both fought hopkins at MW when he was a champion at LHW. both of them already had fights in that division before fighting hopkins. oscar and tito both won fight at MW against joppy and joppy and sturm before losing to hopkins meaning they coth can compete at 160.

pac and floyd have never fought at MW and asking them to face the best MW out there is, as i've said, too much.

 

am i dreading it? hell yes! pac just went through a painful UD over margarito and you guys want him to face a MW next. he should be in the ring with welters and junior welters. not full blown middleweights.

do i think pac can lose to martinez? yes
do i think he has a shot of beating martinez? yes

do i want to see the fight? not a chance.

 

i had sucky wording. apologies. it would be best not to mind that part.

anyway, my main point is that martinez is too big for pacquiao and mayweather.

you're saying that pac's camp wanting martinez to come down to 150 means that they do not want to face martinez at his best and i agree with you.

however, look at it on the other side. do you think pacquiao will be at his best at 155? in essence, the people of martinez also do not want him to fight at his best

martinez and pacquiao are basically doing the same thing. they are both trying to lure each other to where they are most comfortable.

this is why the best case for me is to not fight each other because fighting each other would mean that at least one of them will not be in top shape because of the disparity in size.

 

i don't understand the sugar ray leonard comparison. srl never fought a day under 140 so fighting at MW is only around 20 pounds away from his weight when he was starting out.

pac and mayweather have already done that by fighting at 144 and 150 respectively. and besides, srl was a tall welterweight. i think he's even taller than marvin hagler while mayweather and pac are not even 5'8'' on a good day.

and besides, some people think that srl just waited for hagler to grow old before he fought him.

 

i'll keep this simple. margarito made it to 150. will martinez make it to 150? it does not seem so. they said the lowest he can get to is 155. so martinez is bigger than margarito yes?

sure pac defeated a guy who rehydrated to 165. but would you think martinez would rehydrate to just 165? i don't think so. he'll likely end up weighing around the lhw limit come fight night.

sure margarito is as tall or taller than martinez but who has the longer reach? and dude, martinez said it himself. he knows that pacquiao is too small for him.


again, i'll make you look at it from another angle. bob arum suggested to lou dibella that martinez should fight bute. dibella said bute might be too big for them.

so pacquiao, a welterweight, is not too small to fight a middleweight but a middleweight it too small to fight a super middleweight?

 

pac fought margo at a catchweight because he knows he cannot go in at 154. even in a fight at 150, pac didn't go near the the limit. martinez will have too much advantage if they fight at 154/155 because pacquiao's best condition will be around 140-146.

there's just too much size difference between the two to make it work