No to pac/floyd vs martinez. Make him fight Bute instead

Pac was happy to fight for an 8th title and claim the 154 title. Did he relinquish it as soon as he won it? No. If he's happy to carry the strap he should offer Martinez a fight at 154.

If he's claiming that guys who can make 154 are too big for him, he should **** off from whence he came and leave the title fights for the guys who deserve them.

 

If Martinez had decided to stay at LMW earlier this year, Pac would've had to fight him for the very title he recenly picked up, or no 8 divisional title.

There's a chance that Pac will rematch Cotto anyway who's a 154-er now, and for the right prize Martinez can do that weight too. So why shouldn't the P4P#1 put his title on the line vs. the P4P#2, who previously held it? Maravilla is smaller than Margarito and not a physical fighter.

 

Martinez rehydrated from 158 to 168, if he fought at 154 he would rehydrate to 164. Like I said before and I'll make it real simple again, Pacquiao is the 154lb champion you're telling me the guy can't make a compromise and allow Martinez to come in at 154lbs. Martinez is smaller than Margarito. This isn't about 4lbs, this is about him probably getting Ko'd. Fact is he's the 154lb champion....maybe he should just give the belt back then and save us this debate.

Bute is a Showtime fighter and Martinez is an HBO fighter btw.

 

Do you see the illogical nature of claiming an 8th world title at jr middleweight, yet refusing to fight a former jr middleweight champ for that very same belt?

Martinez started his career as a welterweight and is no more physically bigger than Margarito, De La Hoya, or Clottey.

 

and pacquiao started his career as flyweight. do you know what flyweight is?

 

How can you expect someone to see your logic if that's how you compose your logic. Which is illogical.

You haven't following Martinez success the past year do you? His success lately is his buildup of his upper body mass. One of Team Williams' tactic is to weight drain him why they asked for a catchweight of 157, Martinez looks pale and drain in the weigh-in. After the fight, he mentioned he can kill himself again to make weight if the limit is 156. He isn't a jMW, he is MW that could probably still go down to 154 if he drains himself to death.

Arum rejects a fight to MW "not jMW". Pac stated he's willing to fight him at jMW at a catchweight, because with a full meal during a weigh-in only reaches him 144 lbs.

When Martinez was asked about the possibility, he in a hearbeat said: NO, it's a mismatch. Then off he goes non-stop saying Pacquiao is the god of boxing, ******* adjectives and to me almost sounds like he want to suck Pac's **** - the respect is over the roof in that interview, he can't stop praising Pacquiao.


If your fits is because of the belt awarded to Pac because of the lopsided beatdown, then go cry to the belt organization.

 

Pac would and has destroyed these guys 147 and below. Only real challenge would be Mayweather at those weights. Martinez is most probably a bridge too far but at this stage of his career, fans want to see him in these big challenges.

Who the hell is Bute and why is he even on the radar? Martinez has plenty of challenges at 154 and 160.

 

Well he beat the **** out of the bigger fighters in his division. The fact that people ask for Pac, Floyd - Martinez fight is a compliment to the exceptional talent of those two fighters. If they don't fight each other there are not any worthy opponents that will enhance their legacy at JWW and WW. They can fight just to be active and make money.

 

They agreed to the weight because they both wanted to stay closer to the money fights at junior middleweight should one arise since Pavlik was perhaps the biggest star and now no longer a part of the equation. If Martinez was unsuccesful at MW, he would have gone back to rematch Cintron at JMW. Martinez is not a big MW by any means, and if he was offered a sensible weight he would take it. He is 35years old, how much more do you think his body is actually growing.

He unofficially weighed 148.5lbs against De La Hoya (and this was coming up from lightweight), and most suspect he was unofficially around 150lbs against Clottey. The reason he was light against Margs was they strategized speed and didn't expect Marg to be able to push and lean down on Pac to need extra weight to stop being moved back.

I don't expect Pac to fight MW, but since he has a 154lbs belt he has to make a choice to defend it against challengers or vacate the title and remain at welter. I don't expect Pac to defend the 154lbs belt so I hope they just vacate it and leave it at that, but if he doesn't then Martinez is a viable option.

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The only thing worse than the nonsense of belt organisations, are boxing fans who actually try and justify that nonsense. If fans can't even agree on common sense, then what hope do we have with the casual fans have in understanding.

 

Yes he was a flyweight champion over 10 years ago.....fighting flyweights.

He is now a Jr middleweight champion today.....not fighting jr middleweights.


Pacquiao does not need Martinez, and Martinez does not need Pacquiao, they're on seperate paths with better matchups.

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If Pacquiao is going to hang onto his jr middle belt and not defend it against jr middles, what is the purpose of winning it in the first place. Are you able to look past the smoke and mirrors, or would you like a bit more time to fully grasp the situation?

 

Absolutely true they are going to brag forever about the eight titles but they don't want their hero to fight true JMW fighters

 

He's now suffering from a lack of talent in the 160 division. Sure the likes of Pirog, Lemieux, Korobov and Golovkin could be star names and top quality fighters, but none of them are ready for the big time just yet and none of them are big names in the grand scheme of things, only amongst us hardcore boxing fans.

Because of that, we're really stretching it to make Pacquaio or Mayweather viable match-ups for him. We're talking about a guy who can probably still make 140 and doesn't come in over 150 on fight night version a guy who would be more than that at the weigh-in and then some on fight night.

Even Mayweather isn't a particularly viable match-up unless Martinez can get back down to 154. I think it's even stretching it to expect Mayweather to go up to a middleweight catch-weigh given he's not a massive welterweight either by any means.

And then we're stretching it trying to get Martinez - who can obviously make 157 will being in excellent condition - going up to fight super-middleweights.

 

I dont think Pac ever dehydrated beyond 148, the 150 speculations on Clottey are speculation.

If you're keeping up with the Willaims vs. Martinez II build up - which i am being a big fan of Maravilla. Three weeks before the fight, Martinez was weighed at 178 lbs, which got me and some fans worried.

That's his walk around weight since 2nd half of 2009 when they are cooking of moving up to jMW, due to the diet his team put him into, which is a success. 154 is a tall order for the Maravilla, he probably could make that weight but that needs to be a really big money fight, i doubt a Cintron or someone non-Floyd/Pac is worth it.

Again, don't blame the player, blame the game - if you have a complaint about the belt.

 

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He was also unofficially 148 against Hatton at Jr welterweight, and 147 against Diaz at lightweight. Pacquiao officially weighed in 3 and a half lbs heavier against Clottey than he did against De La Hoya, so it certainly is not beyond believeability that he could weigh 150 on fight night.