No Way Would Pac Beat Calzaghe If They Were the Same Size!!

Joe is a SMART pressure fighter as in he knows WHEN to apply his pressure. Also he has reflexes that allow him to get away from fast punches. RJJ who still has good handspeed was made to look like a fool with said reflexes most of their bout.

Sure, I'd give Pac the power advantage. But Pac's speed wouldn't matter if Joe just disappears from his view.

Boxing skill wise, Calzaghe has the upper hand as well. He has the reflexes to make this fight one-sided for him in my opinion. Boxing IQ also goes to Calzaghe, but both of them have their fighting instincts as well that when they get tagged, they both go on a tear-up.

 

Joe gets smoked in 5 if they were at the same weight. Pac has more power and I think the better endurance of the two. Pac has also fought better opposition and won fights despite being the clear underdog.

The way I see it, Pac wouldn't respect Joe's power and just plow into him and just goes after him until he goes down.

 

Yes, that was your original post alright - and it was wrong then and it's still wrong now. You really would do yourself some credit to admit you were wrong now, since it has been drummed into you and your rubbish attempts at debating the matter have fallen flat, as now you have the appearance of a stubborn child who refuses to acknowledge their amateurish error.

Your post on Robinson shows that you believe pound-for-pound means a subjective opinion on the skills that a fighter has.

I mean - are you actually ****ing serious?! Mate, I'm embarrassed for you to be honest. At first this was just a lack of knowledge on your part, but after all your "go off and die" nonsense, I'm not even sugar-coating it. You're a ****ing ******.

Do you seriously think that when deciding upon The Ring's pound-for-pound list, everyone involved meets up, gets round the table, and discusses in-ring skills only??

Of course they don't. Think how ****ing stupid that is, and how incredibly subjective. They could never agree on a ranking that way.

If that was the way they decided it, then a novice boxer who looked sensational hammering in tomato cans on the way up could conceivably be thought of as the world's pound-for-pound no.1 on the basis of the perception of his skills - of course it isn't purely about what you call:

"talent ,ring generalship,adaptability,skill set and style"

You cannot, absolutely cannot, take a heavyweight fighter in isolation, disregard his weight, rate these fighting qualities, and then compare him against a flyweight - the qualities and skills required by that division and the qualities and skills that it is possible for men of this size to have cannot be fairly or accurately compared in this way.

If you bother to actually read and think about the definition regarding Robinson, you may begin to understand:


Hence, Robinson was called the pound-for-pound best without being expected to beat much larger fighters, under the belief that he as a Middleweight was still a better quality fighter than any fighter fighting at heavier or lighter weights than him.


He was better "as a middleweight". That is how they decided he was the world pound-for-pound number 1, purely because of how good he was "as a middleweight". Are you still with me? Good.

Now, how did they know how good he was as a middleweight? They knew he was so good as a middleweight because he had fought at that weight for a substantial period of time, and had beaten the best fighters available at that weight, and was thus accepted to be better at his own fighting weight than any other fighter at any other weight in the world.

Pound-for-pound is NOT a group of people sitting around talking about fighting attributes, it is decided upon by considering how a fighter has proved how good he is at his fighting weight by taking on the best competition, beating them, performing well in doing so, achieving things like winning titles, going on undefeated streaks - in short, proving he is significantly better than all of the fighters that he is in direct competition with.

Proving is the key word. Pacquiao has proved he is a better superfeather/light fighter than Audley Harrison is a heavyweight NOT because we think he has better hand speed, better composite punching, a better chin, better reflexes etc etc etc - this is subjective opinion about attributes that cannot be compared because the qualities required by Pacquiao and Harrison are entirely different.

Pacquiao has proved he is pound-for-pound the better fighter by beating better fighters, performing better in doing so, by winning more world titles, by winning more world titles in more different weight divisions, by recently producing better wins.

This is how pound-for-pound is decided, not speculating over attributes, or discussing who is better in terms of:

"talent ,ring generalship,adaptability,skill set and style"

No, that's not correct. Perception of attributes do come into your thinking when deciding on pound-for-pound, but only in how a fighter has shown his attributes in fights at his own weight class, they are not compared directly to those of another fighter from a different weight class, and they are not the main area under consideration as you suggest - there is no comparison, it's all about how good each fighter has proven to be at his own weight, his recent form, his current status, his achievements.


Right now, Pacquiao is the world pound-for-pound number 1 because he has a slight edge on Calzaghe in beating and performing well against quality fighters over the last few years. Pac beat the world p4p#2 and won a world title at a 5th weight division with a KO and a beautiful performance in his last 2 fights. Calzaghe sneaked a decision over Hopkins purely on account of superior workrate v a 43-year-old, Calzaghe did NOT perform well by any stretch of the imagination, and then he took the easiest option available by humbling a legend who has been shot to **** for years - a sorry sham of a fight that should have impressed no-one.

In all-time terms, Pacquiao will rank above Calzaghe because (a) he has a better resume, (b) he has won more world titles, (c) he has won more world titles in more weight divisions, (d) he is the first man in history to win world titles at flyweight and lightweight - this is a remarkable achievement, one that Calzaghe has absolutely nothing to match (a 9-year WBO title reign fought out almost exclusively in Wales ).



Don't "go off and die" though, go off and think, and then come back and apologize for being an arrogant, dismissive dick who was wrong.

 

Pac would obliterate Calzaghe, and you can check my posts. I'm no big Pac fan.

Calzaghe would try throwing flurries at Pac and Pac would answer right back and right quick, and his punches would be 100x more meaningful than Cal's, not to mention they would be coming a lot faster.

 

No. Calzaghe stood in front of Roy with his hands down and his chin hanging out and RJJ couldn't pull the trigger fast enough to make him pay. Prime Roy would have knocked his head into the fifth row for doing that.

There's a reason Cal waited until everyone was over 40 to come after RJJ and B-Hop, and it my opinion he waited too long for it to matter anymore and that will reflect seriously on his legacy.

 

quoted for truth. This fight would be a bloody massacre.

 

hmmmm would be interesting, close fight.

 

disappear? -joe was dropped by mitchell, b-hop & jones.

and as far as boxing IQ: mab, morales & jmm had that over pac but still it wasnt enough. pacs relentless attacks got the job done.

 

thats no much of an argument he won all the fights he got dropped in

 

its not much of an arguement, its a fact. now how can joe "disappear" from pacs punches when he's been dropped by those 3 whom werent prime nor possess the p4p speed + power of pacquiao..?

 

None of those guys had Pac's killer instinct either. When Pac dropped JMM 1st time, he dropped him twice again in the same round. When he dropped JMM on the 3rd round he rained punches on him and with only 10seconds to go, JMM nearly fell again having to hold unto the ropes. Watch him try and finish Velasquez, Morales & Solis. Pac's finishing skills is underrated, never seen anyone get so excited when they see their opponent hurt.

 

thats a better argument, but there both fast, i am not sure of Pac power at lightheavy because it would loose his speed. people can make the exact same argument about Calzaghe throwing 100 punches a fight.

 

those 100 pitty pat punches wouldnt phase pac. both have high a workrate but pac would clearly land the more effective blows.

and wtf are you talking about moving up to lightheavy? this is a p4p fantisy fight "if pac were the same size as joe cal"......

 

I thing is forsure PAC would fight with him every step of the way he has also good stamina and would have better power and make china joe kiss canvass more than once,I would pick PAC to Win.

 

PAC kos joe!